Boghog1
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Yeah that gun looks nice but I don't think it would shoot dirt cheap ammo too well.
you could always get a mosin
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Yeah that gun looks nice but I don't think it would shoot dirt cheap ammo too well.
Acme,
Yup, minimum barrel lengths are 16" for rifles, 18" for shotguns.
Most manufacturers add a 1/2" to make sure normal manufacturing variations don't produce a violation and so that users don't get into micrometer arguments with the BATF&E. I've seen a couple of custom build sights who will machine a barrel to 16.1" for a rifle and 18.1" for a shotgun, the problem is if you use the "standard" test of dropping a go/no go stick down the barrel against the breech, you can see the no-go line if the stick is not sitting perfectly flush against the breech or your eye is not perfectly level with the muzzle.
I haven't even read through the other 24 pages of this thread, but you shouldn't have to apologize for the asthetic preferences your father has regarding firearms. People should respect that, back off pushing the AR platform, and offer some more constructive guidance. Sorry you're getting a bit reamed by some folks about this and hope you can get some positive guidance.I am so sorry every one for being a complete newbie here.
I haven't even read through the other 24 pages of this thread, but you shouldn't have to apologize for the asthetic preferences your father has regarding firearms. People should respect that, back off pushing the AR platform, and offer some more constructive guidance. Sorry you're getting a bit reamed by some folks about this and hope you can get some positive guidance.
My thought is that a mini-30 is a good way to go.
I picked that up, too, but sometimes it takes baby steps to pull people around, and it certainly doesn't warrant, IMO, berating a father to his son. I'm happy to hear that the father wants to join the son in this endeavor, against an apparently gun-negative environment! Kudos to them both for that.He's getting push-back because his father's aesthetic preferences come straight out of the gun banners talking points. If he said his father didn't like ARs because he thinks plastic guns have no soul, people would probably argue a bit over differing aesthetic preferences. However, he doesn't like them because they look like assault rifles or something a 'gunman' would use. This sounds just like what the people who want to take our ARs away say. That's why the opposition has been so vehement.
If you want a nice "scout" type rifle - get one of these:
(and put a picattiny forearm on it)
I just hate seeing an obviously nice, polite young man being put in the position of defending his father to a bunch of strangers, even if they really are well-intentioned.
That said, I've never fired the Ruger Mini-14, either 5.56 or Mini Thirty... Is the accuracy really that bad??
I picked that up, too, but sometimes it takes baby steps to pull people around, and it certainly doesn't warrant, IMO, berating a father to his son. I'm happy to hear that the father wants to join the son in this endeavor, against an apparently gun-negative environment! Kudos to them both for that.
Seems easy enough to me to say "hopefully you and your father will have opportunity to reconsider those arbitrary constraints imposed by others' judgment of how the firearm looks, but in the meantime here are some good options that would suit the parameters you mention..."
I just hate seeing an obviously nice, polite young man being put in the position of defending his father to a bunch of strangers, even if they really are well-intentioned.
That said, I've never fired the Ruger Mini-14, either 5.56 or Mini Thirty... Is the accuracy really that bad??
Older mini-14s have light barrels that group 2-3 inches at 100 yds but 4-5 inches when the barrel heats up. Mini-14s are still very popular rifles because of the rugged Garand-type action, "retro" military look with wooden stocks, and relatively low price. As I mentioned in a previous post in this thread, there is a large aftermarket for accuracy-improving devices and techniques.
The "legendary" inaccuracy of the mini-14 does not apply to the newer models - Ruger retooled their production process some time ago and mini-14s now have heavier, tapered barrels.
I have one newer mini-14 and I glass-bedded the action (because I like working with wood). I have no problem hitting clay pigeons at 100 yards.
I also own several ARs.....
I enjoy both apples and oranges.
If you want a nice "scout" type rifle - get one of these:
(and put a picattiny forearm on it)
(outing my ignorance) ... what is it?If I had the money that would be the first thing I would buy.
(outing my ignorance) ... what is it?
Looks like a chopped up Garand.
"Tanker" Garand.
I'd get a shorty M1A before one of those, but if I only had an FID, I'd think about it.
(outing my ignorance) ... what is it?
I only got an FID here in the beautiful Peoples Republic of Massachusetts
A mini G Garand a smaller M1 Garand that also comes in .308 and it is mag fed. Like I already mentioned I only have an FID and seeing as I am 16 I don't have $ 2,350 laying around my room. There for I am unable to afford the firearm. [sad2]
Donations greatly appreciated
Too heavy to meet Cooper's criteria for a scout rifle.
(outing my ignorance) ... what is it?
I only got an FID here in the beautiful Peoples Republic of Massachusetts
A mini G Garand a smaller M1 Garand that also comes in .308 and it is mag fed. Like I already mentioned I only have an FID and seeing as I am 16 I don't have $ 2,350 laying around my room. There for I am unable to afford the firearm. [sad2]
Donations greatly appreciated
I only got an FID here in the beautiful Peoples Republic of Massachusetts
A mini G Garand a smaller M1 Garand that also comes in .308 and it is mag fed. Like I already mentioned I only have an FID and seeing as I am 16 I don't have $ 2,350 laying around my room. There for I am unable to afford the firearm. [sad2]
Donations greatly appreciated
Yeah, I get being broke and 16, but you would be the baddest assed broke 16 yo I know of.
Like these guys said, 10/22 is a great place to start, I have 3 of them in my safe. Sitting at the range with a few hundred rounds for 15 bucks and making soda cans dance all over the berm after work is a great way to spend an afternoon.
The Mini-G with the M14 mag option looks pretty swanky."Mini-G" Garand - made by Shuff's Parkerizing.