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in my experience.. Most Fudds are not shooters at all. They have little to no appreciation of firearms and don't enjoy shooting..
The really old ones aren't going to change, and the younger one's may change, but at this point I hate to see a house divided against itself. The recent change in GOAL was a tremendous triumph for the shooters of today and I applaud the new direction that GOAL is taking, but it was the Fudds back in the 70's that prevented the handguns being totally banned in Massachusetts, and that is something to ponder.
They are in control of the club and they want to keep the mag dump/ blaster crowd out. It's that simple, no justification needed.
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That makes a certain amount of sense and I can respect the philosophy of "their range, their rules; don't join if you don't like them". However, I still think limiting the number of rounds you can load at a time is a foolish and ineffective way to go about it if that's really the intent. Instead, why not just have a little video monitoring on the range coupled with a "no mag dump" rule enforced with a "we catch you and have video evidence and you're thrown out and banned" policy?
Age is not an excuse for fuddism. One of the strongest board proponents of allowing us to move into the modern era at Hopkinton Sportsmens was well into his 70's at time and has, unfortunately, since died. I only wish I knew him better when he was alive as he never told any of us he was a genuine war hero.
Yes, this is the retired hitman (for our side) I told you aboutDue to his "wartime profession", I'd say that he'd be all for letting people practice self-defense tactics!
There is a huge difference between "cameras" and "microphones", plus it all depends on what the cameras are used for. The one club I am familiar with that has cameras has used them to track down damage, and deal with the situation in a positive way, and absolutely does not use them for a game of "gotcha". Said club has also had a couple of incidents of basement flooding concentrated on the range, and the cameras allow Ez-Prez to check to make sure everything is OK from his home.I am dead set against cameras on the firing line!
....and at nearly 300 total for the application fee and the first year of membership they should let me bring a grenade launcher!!!!!!!!!!!! ...
I have no problem or issue with anyone else's choice in how they want to shoot, or how often, or how rapidly, etc. If someone wants to spend X amount of time with a bolt gun doing some careful low-volume shooting, that is fine and dandy with me. I do it myself sometimes. Same with hunting; I am all for it, and try to get out and bring home something for the table from time to time. Nor do I care if someone likes only guns that are blued steel and wood, or dislikes modern sporting rifles like ARs. That's all fine with me. What I object to, and the only people I think of as Fuds, are those who seek to force everyone else into shooting the same way they do. As long as a shooter is keeping their shots on the range and their gun handling is safe, I don't really care what they do, and neither should anyone else. It shows a lack of respect.
I have no problem or issue with anyone else's choice in how they want to shoot, or how often, or how rapidly, etc. If someone wants to spend X amount of time with a bolt gun doing some careful low-volume shooting, that is fine and dandy with me. I do it myself sometimes. Same with hunting; I am all for it, and try to get out and bring home something for the table from time to time. Nor do I care if someone likes only guns that are blued steel and wood, or dislikes modern sporting rifles like ARs. That's all fine with me. What I object to, and the only people I think of as Fuds, are those who seek to force everyone else into shooting the same way they do. As long as a shooter is keeping their shots on the range and their gun handling is safe, I don't really care what they do, and neither should anyone else. It shows a lack of respect.
While I agree totally with what you wrote, as do many others, we still have to keep in mind that we are referring to private clubs, and it is their rules. Now whether some of these clubs will be around twenty years from now is an entirely different story. I don't know of any Fudd who is forcing you to shoot his or her way except where it concerns their private club. We talk about individual rights, private property etc on this forum, but when it is someone else who is disrespecting what we like, then they are the bad guys and gals.
Now naturally if someone is imposing what they think are the rules, then it is a different story, but if it is in the club rules and you don't like the rules, then don't join that club and shoot somewhere else.
This is why I'm having a hard time choosing a club to join...I want somewhere within the Salisbury area(within 30-45 minutes) that isn't going to limit the amount of rounds I can load and with keycard access.
I've heard a wicked rumor about some evil range members loading 10 rounds and pausing after they shot 5..and then! They would shoot the other 5 ! The wicked things some men will do.
Does this rule apply to high capacity revolvers like an eight round .357 or a 20 round Lefaucheux 7.65mm pinfire?
Coyote33 have a brother?