I don't know how good I'd be defending my family while drinking. First, I'd have to finish my drink, cuz I know I'm getting thrown out when I start shooting, and I don't want to let a good drink go to waste.
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that is the funniest post in this thread! Thanks for adding some levity to all of the bickering!![[rofl]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/013.gif "ROFL [rofl]")
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Reported for suspected drinking and driving intentions.
Jamie
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This thread is very telling. It's definitely not the same NES that I joined 6+ years ago. Creeping statism. 16 pages in and no one has been able to establish a victim in this case, other than the dude who crashed and ended up getting hemmed up. Amazing. My list of useless people, gun owners and not, grows daily. Thanks to the mods in this one for keeping it open, and civil.
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There is a slight difference between the state and federal prohibition.
The state prohibition kicks in as soon as the 209A issued. The federal prohibition kicks in when the subject either appears in court before a judge, or has the opportunity to do so.
This is a true example of "with true freedom comes real responsibility". Nobody should need the .gov.....or any mother ****er.......to tell them what is beyond their ability.......but if you **** it up and cause ACTUAL damage to another person.........nail em! That is true freedom and real responsibility and I think youd see DD related crasher fall more than with the current draconian BS!!!!!!!!!!
I'm with you! No victim at all........the OPs buddy should have been able to call a tow truck on his own and be on his way. You should have heard the asshattery with my post about key in the ignition = operating a vehicle! Had about a dozen guys on here that support that BS........sorry......sleeping in a car while intoxicated is not OPERATING WHILE INTOXICED! But there are NESers that support that.
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Jamie
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I'm with you! No victim at all........the OPs buddy should have been able to call a tow truck on his own and be on his way. You should have heard the asshattery with my post about key in the ignition = operating a vehicle! Had about a dozen guys on here that support that BS........sorry......sleeping in a car while intoxicated is not OPERATING WHILE INTOXICED! But there are NESers that support that.
I hear ya. Knowing you've had too much to drink, choosing not to operate a vehicle, preferring not to become hypothermic while sleeping it off....might as well execute them on the spot.
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If I were the President, I would make a POINT of having lunch beers with my Secret Service detail as often as possible. I'd want them thinking "dude, don't let this guy get killed, the VP would NEVER buy us beers at lunch when we don't have important stuff to do." And my wife and my staff would think "oh, he's just doing that as a token of good leadership and respect for the people protecting him, not because it's an awesome excuse to drink beer at lunch WHILE being the leader of the free world!"
I would be a fun President. Beer summits wouldn't be a PR stunt, they'd be a no cameras or press allowed, turn in the keys to Air Force One, nobody leaves Camp David until these kegs are empty and everyone is cool and all this red meat has been grilled and eaten kind of deal. Disputed territory between Israel/Palestine? Foosball, doubles, 2 out of 3. Kidnap the head terrorist in Durkastan, drag him along, get him hooked on bacon, good beer, fine steaks and scotch, Skoal, and internet porn, and release him back to Durkastan a few weeks later to tell everyone how wrong they were and how America is the most awesome magical place in the world, and if they don't believe him start running because he's getting bombs dropped on his face if he doesn't convince them all.
Every election, Americans would be allowed to vote for the LOWEST performing elected official - winner gets summarily fired and deported from the United States, never allowed to return, his retirement forfeited and transferred to charity.
And along with that - beginning of fiscal year, no budget is passed - elections will be held that October 15th for EVERY house and senate seat.
Wacko, you misread my post and neg repped me because you think I don't understand legal process or freedom. Unfortunately, you believe I'm arguing for illegitimate policing when I'm just talking about the immorality of drunk driving and the stupidity of being stupid.
If you decide to read instead of skim, you'll see I never made a single comment about the gun charges. These are illegitimate on their own.
Here's my position on the victims - I'd appreciate if you send your thoughts on official NES letterhead.
Because there was no evidence of a legitimate crime, the identity of the real victim depends on your view of the cop as either:
a) a freedum-hatin' JBT, like all cops (victim = everyone's trampled rights...likely the extent of your thinking)
b) a glorious hero who didn't nail him, but put a paper trail on and disarmed the town idiot (victims = the folks OPs buddy kills next time he's out driving drunk)
c) a bureaucratic tool of torts lawyers who determine what's right and wrong (victims = nobody with a good lawyer and everybody else)
d) all of the above
I'm going with "d"
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You missed the point.
Also, we've had probably a dozen "immorality of drunk driving" threads here over the past few years. They all suck and they all end badly. Let's not turn this one into one of those.
with my post about key in the ignition = operating a vehicle! Had about a dozen guys on here that support that BS........sorry......sleeping in a car while intoxicated is not OPERATING WHILE INTOXICED!
Pardon my ignorance but you can get arrested for being responsible and choosing not to drive?
Second question: if the keys are in your pocket can you still get jammed up?
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falcon123
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Funny you ask. YES!
Ask my brother.......posted here before but cliff note version:
Got a bottle on the way to go fishing
drank some vodka while fishing in his canoe (not illegal)
finished fishing
pulled onto shore
said to self.....**** this I'm going to sleep for awhile rather than take a chance on a dwi
left $1000 canoe on ground (important as this is part of his defense)
gets in truck and starts it to run heat (it was early spring and still cold)
falls asleep
cop knocks on window
rolls down window
cop smells booze
cuffed and stuffed for OUI
Yes in most states you can be arrested for operating under the influence just because the key is in the ignition.........and its BS. And yes there are NESers that think being drunk while sleeping in a truck with the key in the ignition while NOT driving should be an arrestable offense........I'll leave it at that.
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Impaired is defined for OUI- not for possessing a gun. This would leave the law open to interpretation. WAS THIS GUN AN AMT BACKUP in .45 cal??????????????????????????????
A local shop sold one of mine to a guy and failed to report it- then it looked like it was mine- had to go get proof of the sale!!!!!
A local shop sold one of mine to a guy and failed to report it- then it looked like it was mine- had to go get proof of the sale!!!!!
Errr...okay, so with morality and accountability off the table, then talking about "proof" and "evidence" presumes a crime, and all crimes have tangible victims, and nobody's really suffered here, so there's no crime, so no harm, no foul...I think got it.
Seriously, is that the point here? If not, I'm hopelessly lost...
To back up whacko, I had a buddy on my boat get jammed up for the same thing. He was at subvets, a local watering hole for submarine vets much like a VFW, anyway, closing time came and he questioned driving. He climbed in the back seat so it was obvious he wasn't trying to drive, and started/warmed the truck up. Same thing, cop comes up and arrests him because the key was in the ignition. Took him thousands and thousands to beat it. Sofa king wee todd did
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Because so many people in this state don't actually believe in freedom anymore. It is like they HAVE to have big brother running their lives because they can't make their own decisions and have their own opinions. It is f***ing pathetic.
pastera
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Many years ago I had the occasional habit of sleeping a bender off in the back of my pickup. Cop bangs on my cap to wake me up and gives me a hassle. He then tries to get me to go in the cab and get my registration.
Told him sorry wasn't driving, not going anywhere near the wheel and can I go pass out at a buddies within stumbling distance.
I'm certain he was trying for a dui as I was closer to fatal than sober and would have needed a good 8 hours to be legal.
Being responsible sometimes isn't enough to keep you out of trouble with the state's revenue recovery team
Told him sorry wasn't driving, not going anywhere near the wheel and can I go pass out at a buddies within stumbling distance.
I'm certain he was trying for a dui as I was closer to fatal than sober and would have needed a good 8 hours to be legal.
Being responsible sometimes isn't enough to keep you out of trouble with the state's revenue recovery team
See what I'm saying people........what business did the officer even have to ask Pastera for his registration in the first ****ing place. Was he suspected of "sleeping in a truck bed"? Jesus Christ the freedom being squashed by this crap is so mind numbingly simple for me to see it hurts my head to wonder why some people here don't see it.
Dude.....similar story was Actually posted here before. Guy gets drunk at a bar........CALLS A CAB.........cab gets there and drunk guy remembers he left something in his car........goes to his car to get something out of it.....all while a cop was watching and he pinched him the second he got in the front seat! Cabbie even tried to talk the cop out of it!
I'll see if I can dig it up.
Darksideblues42 posted this:
I know someone who had a couple too many after a wedding, so he called a cab.
Officer showed up, asked what the deal was, he said he was just waiting on the cab.
The cab driver showed up, blocked him in to his parking space, friend used his key fob to pop his trunk to grab his gym bag for a change of clothes, but also ended up unlocking his doors and putting his windows down.
He sits with the driver's door open and his feet still on the ground, puts the key in, turns the car to "run" without starting it, puts the windows up....
Officer friendly sees this transpire and as friend is locking his car, he detained under suspicion of OUI. Passes field tests, blows a .082 and is arrested.
Cabbie testified at his trial and confirmed his version of events....Judge dismissed case, but we all know it could have just as easily gone the other way.....
Key in ignition should not equal "operating" if there is compelling evidence as to your intent...
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pastera
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If he was concerned about safety, he would have called a bus for me to get me treated for alcohol poisoning.
Not a cop bashing, just recognizing that for a lot of officers the public good is not priority one.
