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This suggestion can jam someone up. UPS and FedEx have a company policy that requires you to ship firearms from their "hubs". Part of the law that allows you to ship firearms via a common carrier states that you have to notify the shipper of the firearms. If you go to a UPS Store, or an independent FedEx shipper, they are not supposed to accept firearms (company policy). If you don't tell them what is in the package, then technically you are not following Federal law. Will anything bad come of it? Probably not, but if for some reason the package is damaged in transit, and say a firearms case shows, it will probably lead to an investigation. Another example would be if the label came off/was ripped off, and the shipper had to open the package to try and find if there was another listing inside. They are NOT the government, and state that packages could be opened for inspection, and you have no 4A protection (since it's designed to protect you from .gov intrusion). Just my .02. YMMV.
No offense, but you are mistaken. Please refrain from offering advice on this matter.
When I flew into Logan with a gun, no one asked for an LTC when I picked it up. Got it from the Delta office, not the carousel, but I just showed them my driver's license iirc.
Bonus points for testing the system by starting off with DL not LTC.
May not always work, but it's a valuable existence proof for the rest of us.
Skip the airline BS...
Skyline Flight – Stay above it all
Why don't you just ship the guns to yourself and pick up at your destination? I mean seriously - if it's that much of a concern, why even take the risk. Your paying for a flight, accommodations, etc for the trip. Shipping the firearms is a drop in the bucket at this point.
Wow. What a smokin' deal.
Nashua (ASH) to Friendly, MD (VKX) (Near DC) is only $4520 round trip, if you go both ways on the same day. Stay a day or so, and the fare jumps to the low, low, price of only $7900.
I'm pretty sure for that amount of money, I can fly First Class, and even spring for a Flight Attendant to fly face down in my lap for the entire flight.
For an overnight stay it would actually be close to breaking even to get a private pilot license, then rent a small plane and fly yourself there and back.
And the SECOND time you make the flight, you'll pay < $1k for the plane rental.
You'd probably still have some cash left over to spend on dancers in $1 increments.
Who wants to watch dancers willing to accept $1 bills?
It's been like 15-20 years since I've been to a strip joint. Did the prices go up?
I don't know the capitalized per hour cost of these planes, but it seems rather pricey for what you get - a very nice single engine prop plane, not a small jet.For an overnight stay it would actually be close to breaking even to get a private pilot license, then rent a small plane and fly yourself there and back.
I don't know the capitalized per hour cost of these planes, but it seems rather pricey for what you get - a very nice single engine prop plane, not a small jet.
I have flown through New York with a lay over at LaGuardia. On this particular trip, AL to MA through NY, I called ahead to the LE agency at LaGuardia. I told them what I was doing and asked them what they would like me to do "in the event of".
They advised me and I was fine. The officer I spoke to was informative and polite.
I also called TSA and asked the same question. Same thing, the gentleman was informative and polite.
If the lay over is unexpected and you are expected to pick up your bags, immediately as you exit the jet way, speak to the gate attendant and advise them you need TSA to maintain custody of your checked bag.
On another trip, I drove through NY on my way to Ohip for business. Given I was staying on the WV border and there is a fabulous range 5 min from my hotel in WV, I brought several firearms. Before this trip I called the NY State Police and asked them if there was anything in particular they would like. I told them what I was traveling with. They answered one of my questions and then directed me to the "New York Safe Act hotline". There they answered the remainder of my questions.
I drove to Ohio without incident,
In every instance I spoke to people that were respectful to me and answered my questions.
I have been traveling this way for years.
If I am advised not to do something such as the case with NJ. No magazines greater than 10 rounds and NO hollow point.
The official in NJ also advised me to have in my possession copies of the bills of sale for each firearm I was traveling with. (Driving)
Which I then did.
Make the calls.
Be respectful.
Ask relevant questions.
Promote NO ridiculous rumors.
Address the person you are speaking with by their title, Trooper, Officer, Sgt. Ma'am, Sir, you get the idea.
Follow the advice you are given.
Make notes.
In an airport there are as many as three agency's covering that.
State, Local, TSA
Call each of them.
Plan ahead.
Oh, one last piece of advice ..
If you act like a moron, you will be treated like one.
I fully agree with you but if challenged, being able to say Sgt so-in-so told me blah-blah-blah oftentimes will take the edge off an encounter. Just be sure to get names of LEOs you spoke with and drop them if required.Probably good advice, but in my experience, LE personnel are the least knowledgeable source when it comes to the law.
Hypothetical question - I’m on flights from the Manchester, NH airport to the Harrisburg, PA airport, a state that honors NH Pistol & Revolver Permits and has no state AWB. Due to unforeseen circumstances, we are rerouted in flight to a NYC airport and I’m booked on a flight the next day. I’ve declared a Tavor X95 rifle (pistol grip, 30rd magazines) and pistol (Glock 17 with 17rd mags) in a hard case, meeting all airline & TSA regulations.
1. Will I be arrested on the airplane after landing or when picking up my luggage? That is, does the airline or TSA alert NYC police?
2. If not, I know I can’t declare and re-check that firearm the next day without arrest and likely prosecution, so do I:
A. Not even claim the case with the firearms, leave NYC by any means possible, ask the airline to return the luggage to MHT
B. Rent a car and drive home with the firearms in the locked trunk
C. Other?
Getting it in writing on NYSP letterhead is better evidence in court than some phone call you can't even prove.I fully agree with you but if challenged, being able to say Sgt so-in-so told me blah-blah-blah oftentimes will take the edge off an encounter. Just be sure to get names of LEOs you spoke with and drop them if required.
Because its a 110% waste of money compared to just asking the airline to do their job. The ewr/lga/jfk/papd gun owner arrest diversion phantasm is an overblown one.
Really. So dropping hundreds on a flight, hundreds more on accommodations, hundreds on the class.. So thousands invested in the adventure - but you don't think it worth it to spend what - 40 or 50 bucks - to avoid the headaches of traveling with an "assault rifle" through potentially unfriendly territory where a mistake (not one made by you by the way) could result in a felony hung on you. That's what you're going to cheap out on? I'm sorry man, but I have to disagree. Not how I would do it. I would either charter a private flight in a small prop as others have suggested or ship it.
Really. So dropping hundreds on a flight, hundreds more on accommodations, hundreds on the class.. So thousands invested in the adventure - but you don't think it worth it to spend what - 40 or 50 bucks - to avoid the headaches of traveling with an "assault rifle" through potentially unfriendly territory where a mistake (not one made by you by the way) could result in a felony hung on you. That's what you're going to cheap out on? I'm sorry man, but I have to disagree. Not how I would do it. I would either charter a private flight in a small prop as others have suggested or ship it.
If you fly ~ 100 hours a year, your cost of ownership should be around $200/hour. Or you can rent a plane in the neighborhood of $100/hour. Economics of Owning a Small Plane (I don't think that $100/hour includes fuel, but someone more up to date can comment)
A pilots license (the training I mean) costs around $10k.
A flight from here to the DC area is around 3 hours each way.
That's enough to estimate that the $5k-$10k chartered flight gives you bragging rights, but it doesn't make any economic sense for anyone with a real world need to spontaneously fly off to some place.
Basically, if you can afford a sports car for "fun" then you probably can afford to buy and maintain a small plane. And if you're flying for business, you write it all off anyway.
Or to put it in NES context, if you can afford a safe full of nice rifles with decent optics, you can afford the plane. That describes a bunch of people here.
If you fly ~ 100 hours a year, your cost of ownership should be around $200/hour. Or you can rent a plane in the neighborhood of $100/hour. Economics of Owning a Small Plane (I don't think that $100/hour includes fuel, but someone more up to date can comment)
A pilots license (the training I mean) costs around $10k.
A flight from here to the DC area is around 3 hours each way.
That's enough to estimate that the $5k-$10k chartered flight gives you bragging rights, but it doesn't make any economic sense for anyone with a real world need to spontaneously fly off to some place.
Basically, if you can afford a sports car for "fun" then you probably can afford to buy and maintain a small plane. And if you're flying for business, you write it all off anyway.
Or to put it in NES context, if you can afford a safe full of nice rifles with decent optics, you can afford the plane. That describes a bunch of people here.
When he wants to fly for fun he just rents something. That's pretty telling.
How nice?I don't know the capitalized per hour cost of these planes, but it seems rather pricey for what you get - a very nice single engine prop plane, not a small jet.