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just trying to make sure things are on the up and up.
Quit your bitching
A: Free Raffle
B: You had a chance to win Free stuff
C: You didn't win
D: Be glad BP was even doing a Free Raffle for its members, nothing written you are entitled to Free Goods.
And what they did was totally legal. They way you explained it, it was fair and square. If they said you had to be present to win or its a reload, then I could see a complaint. He was there he won and he played within their rules. You should have been congratulating him instead of stewing about the FID issue. That was between BP and him no one else.
Whaaaaaaaahhh I didn't win!!!!!
The guy won fair and square. You can win a car without having a drivers license.
There's also a perfectly normal, common solution to prizes you cannot possess for whatever reason...yes, but you cant drive it. with the shotgun, you cant even posses it without at least the FID*
cant BassPro do a transfer if they wanted to? they ARE an FFL.
*assuming it was a MA resident.
No rant score for this one. Competitor is disqualified due to lack of a compulsory item, failure to have a beef.Was anyone else at the foxboro bass pro shop preferred members special tonight?...
In most states said 20 yr old would have filled out a 4473 and assuming he passed the check, left with the shotgun that night. This is only a "fiasco" because of MA's steaming pile of gun laws.
sounds like sour grapes. like others have said... sticking to your guns on principle, when the principle is flawed, is flawed.
it's absolutely evil that such a thing as an FID exists, and yet you wish to have some entity bind themselves to their own wayward rules condoning such a beast?
I bought a used 20 gauge shotgun at the local hardware store when I was 14 years old in Tennessee. The only question asked of me was "Does your dad know you're buying this?" This wasn't that long ago, not the 1950's but 1980.
The fact that a 20 year old man needs some sort of special government license to buy a shotgun is absurd and very sad.
ETA- Oh, and I meant to ask, Hobbit, were you by chance the hall monitor in middle school?
Quit your bitching
A: Free Raffle
B: You had a chance to win Free stuff
C: You didn't win
D: Be glad BP was even doing a Free Raffle for its members, nothing written you are entitled to Free Goods.
And what they did was totally legal. They way you explained it, it was fair and square. If they said you had to be present to win or its a reload, then I could see a complaint. He was there he won and he played within their rules. You should have been congratulating him instead of stewing about the FID issue. That was between BP and him no one else.
Yeah, I think this is really not the big deal it seems. The guy won the raffle, he just could not take possession of it because of MA laws. The store could hold on to the prize until the guy got his license, then everything is fine.
I had a similar (but different) episode myself several years ago. I won a raffle in New Hampshire (it was either a gun show or a competition), and the prize was a new pistol. Of course, it wasn't on the "Massachusetts List of Stuff Allowed for Inmates" so I couldn't take it, and couldn't just tranfer to a MA FFL. And in this case, the situation wasn't going to change anytime soon. The solution was that they gave me cash instead.
What if the winner was not qualified, ie; FELON?
Just sayin.
Much better than a new pistol.
FWIW I don't thing the Bass Pro thing is that big of a deal and I kind of expect it from a chain store.
Maybe they should have held a separate raffle for the shotgun where people would have to show proper license before getting a chance to win it. I'm willing to bet more than half the people there that night with tickets in hand didn't have an FID.
Do you know the kid is from Mass? What if he was a preferred customer from RI, 10 miles down the road. People come to bass Pro from hundreds of miles away. Can only locals be Preferred customers?
If he wasn't a Mass resident, he couldn't have an FID card, and Bass Pro couldn't make the transfer, but if he was a preferred customer, they may have determined to honor his "win" in another way that didn't involve an out of state transfer.
I'm all for following (most) rules, but I'll bet there is more to this.
Maybe a Bass Pro employee on the forum can explain what happened.
btw, If I had been there, waiting 2 hours for the drawing, and the written rules said you needed an FID to win, I'd have asked for clarification too.
What if the winner didn't have an FID, but rather, a LTC? Would they be disqualified? If they were properly licensed out of state, couldn't they buy the gun by having it shipped to a dealer in their state? Could they have wanted to find a way to not have one of their promotional items, or customers end up in a different strore?
There's no such thing as a free lunch, or I guess free raffle tickets.
I don't know, I don't go to Bas Pro much. I've heard a rumor they have a big, goofy, red faced guy there named C-pher that kisses people and says, "I love you man". Gives me shivers just thinking about it.
no i wasn't the hall monitor in school.
now let me ask you something. if this kid is not able to get an fid is that alright in regards to the law? is it alright (if the kid can't get an id) to allow his brother to have it when it was a members only event? if you were in my shoes last night and thought they were going to hand this over to someone without an fid would you just walk out or would you try to make sure its done legally?
sorry if i am on the side that believes everyone should follow the same rules. that doesn't mean i like the rules but until there changed, there what we follow.
So, let me get this straight... you went to a box store, for a contest, and they didn't even follow their own rules, and you're aghast and surprised?
So when you go to gun stores, do you shoulder surf people filling out 4473s, to you know, make sure they're filling them out right?
People should not be jumping to "straw purchase" land without understanding the context and intent behind whatever transfer is going to occur.
-Mike
Umm bad analogy, because actaully, not having a license will not prevent "sally" from winning (or buying) a car, she can even drive it all she wants on private land, she just can't drive it on a public road till she's licenses.next thing you know it will be alright for little "sally" to start driving alone before she gets her first licence.
I don't even know where you are going with this one, are you suggesting that if the young man didn't offer up his licensed brother that you think Bass Pro (a licensed dealer) would have just given him the shotgun anyway? Unless you are mentally challenged you can't really think that was going to happen....your right it is evil that an fid exist but that doesn't change the fact that it exist for everyone! not a select few. tell me, what happens if the kid has something in his background that precludes him from getting an fid? should he be allowed to have it?
Awww Crap that is what you think isn't...once again its not about the others who may have won, although that is in the overall picture, its about the kid not having an fid and the way bass pro made it seem like he was still getting the gun. i would have thought the same thing had i not had the conversation.
The problem is NO ONE broke any law. The winner of the raffle did not at the time have the neccarry license, so the had his appearently properly licensed brother collect his winnings for him. The illegal part is what exactly?Umm no i don't. I guess if you were standing next to someone who admits to breaking the law or about to break the law you would look the other way - nice.
I don't see the issue here either. Even if this guy was disqualified, each member of the mob would have basically had a 99.99% chance of going home empty handed anyways.
On a side note, I was disappointed over the magnitude of this "fiasco." I thought the OP was going to report that BPS was selling new manufacture glocks and other non-mass compliant guns again
I was in a raffle when I was 16. I won a gift certificate to Kens Steak House. They had me pull the next number, I won again this was for a 8 gun wood cabinet with a glass front, again they had me grab the next number. Once again I won. This prize was a remington 12 guage, I can't remember which model. They would not give it to me and the rest of the participants threw a fit because I won three times. I was pissed, My dad was pissed because he could have taken possession legally. Needless to say we both never returned to that establishment, likely the losers did not as well.
Moral of they story is -
Not giving the winner the prize is bad for business
Unorganized raffles are bad for business
Shotgun raffles in Ma. are bad for business
I bet this kid already got an application for his FID so he can take possession because in the OP he said "not yet", and I am extremely happy that they will allow his brother to have it.
+1 to bass pro
-1 to Ma.
I bought a used 20 gauge shotgun at the local hardware store when I was 14 years old in Tennessee. The only question asked of me was "Does your dad know you're buying this?" This wasn't that long ago, not the 1950's but 1980.
The fact that a 20 year old man needs some sort of special government license to buy a shotgun is absurd and very sad.
Are you "f'ing" serious? what is there to complain about, kid won a shot gun be happy for him...
Seriously when we drew the winner of the Hanson Machinegun Raffle the fella who won the Thompson didn't have have a Mass Green Card, should we have said Oh sorry bud never mind we gotta pick some one else??? You want to talk about fair that doesn't seem particularly fair to me...I won't delve into our winners personal business, but he had numeous options to collect his prize, and he selected a method not all that different from "having his brother with a license" take it for him... Do you feel cheated because of that too I mean hey that was for $14,000 Thompson not a $300 shotgun, wanna call the police????