yep i have mentioned numerous time how i wish i had that gun, damn why couldn't it have been me[sad2]
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In most states said 20 yr old would have filled out a 4473 and assuming he passed the check, left with the shotgun that night. This is only a "fiasco" because of MA's steaming pile of gun laws.
I have another question.. Was there a specific raffle for the shotgun, or did you enter, and were eligible to win gift certificates, or the shotgun?? The answer to this might change my opinion, about the winner, but I still think they should have raffled a kayak..
It's their promotion, they can do whatever the hell they want.
I can also guarantee that if you find and read the complete rules (a.k.a. the 'fine print') that the last rule is a paraphrase of what I wrote above. I've run raffles, and it's standard universal CYA language.
It's really hard not to think of all this as whining.
Does anyone think it's time to move on boys and girls?
How is it my business, let alone my responsibility to "try to make sure its done legally"?
Umm no i don't. I guess if you were standing next to someone who admits to breaking the law or about to break the law you would look the other way - nice.
difference is, everything in your case was legal. your name comes up you win - 2x's or 10x's
last night it was about the fid which is a requirement by law and by bp rules
Seriously dude what the f*** are you talking about?
Working backwards: Umm bad analogy, because actaully, not having a license will not prevent "sally" from winning (or buying) a car, she can even drive it all she wants on private land, she just can't drive it on a public road till she's licenses.
Moving on: I don't even know where you are going with this one, are you suggesting that if the young man didn't offer up his licensed brother that you think Bass Pro (a licensed dealer) would have just given him the shotgun anyway? Unless you are mentally challenged you can't really think that was going to happen.... Awww Crap that is what you think isn't...
The problem is NO ONE broke any law. The winner of the raffle did not at the time have the neccarry license, so the had his appearently properly licensed brother collect his winnings for him. The illegal part is what exactly?
Finnally just a bit of a rant because of your nonsense....I'm guessing you don't have kids? I do they are both too young for an FID, yet they both have guns. Until my kids are licensed (or we don't live in MA) thier guns will be "techincally" mine and the kids can't use them with out me, but that does negate the fact that they are thier guns. Just as the winners shotgun will be his brothers until he gets a license...
Hobbit: I can see your arguement in that the person the gun was actually going to in name was probably not a prefered customer. However, what I am seeing here is the brother is taking it in name only and the real user will be the original winner. Being mad at someone because of an un-constitutional law doesn't make sense to me.
Does anyone think it's time to move on boys and girls?
Licensing "should" be required of no one. This kid has just been given an opportunity to enter the shooting sports. You should be happy for him.
It's their promotion, they can do whatever the hell they want.
I can also guarantee that if you find and read the complete rules (a.k.a. the 'fine print') that the last rule is a paraphrase of what I wrote above. I've run raffles, and it's standard universal CYA language.
It's really hard not to think of all this as whining.
snowjoker said:Can you add something to the Bass Pro Fiasco post?
As you know I work there. I am also the one that does the NRA Class there...
I spoke with both the store manager and hunting manager this morning about my concerns of him winning it without a license. And them thinking about giving it to his brother (Who has a license).
They have decided that they will hold the gun for him for as long as it takes for him to get a license. He will probably be signing up for my class at the store and applying for his firearms license.
So after all the bitching he will be becoming another licensed gun owner if he wants the gun...