Fatal Shooting in Worcester by Westborough LTC holder UPDATE: Guilty of Involuntary Manslaughter! 4-7 Year Sentence with 77 Days Credit.

[Warm_Garand]

This aussie is showing great restraint. I would have gassed it brrrrrrrrrap!


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[heck ya beaches]

I think his name is John Smith.

Juan Doe

 

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Juan Doe

John Smith, 31 the newspaper article said.

 

[Tartakovsky]

John Smith, 31 the newspaper article said.

Strange, I can’t find an obituary anywhere for this guy with the most generic name ever.

 

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Strange, I can’t find an obituary anywhere for this guy with the most generic name ever.

I know. I was only able to read him named in the article, but no obituary anywhere.

 

[headednorth]

False flag? John Smith would be a great name for a character actor

 

[Mass-diver]

So what’s the defense here? I thought he had a weapon?

What’s the bar for shooting an unarmed person in MA? Let’s say the guy says “I’m going to kill you” and you can’t escape, can you shoot him even though he doesn’t have a weapon?

 

[pastera]

So what’s the defense here? I thought he had a weapon?

What’s the bar for shooting an unarmed person in MA? Let’s say the guy says “I’m going to kill you” and you can’t escape, can you shoot him even though he doesn’t have a weapon?

Unless you can articulate a clear disparity of force that would put you in particular danger of death or disabling injury from an unarmed attack then you're going to prison.
Have a spinal or brain injury that would realistically put life in jeopardy from a strike then you can shoot when attack is imminent.

 

[Sparky123]

Samuel Peckham is the victim's name. It was in the very first post here.

Here in Massachusetts, it's the criminal who got shot, he's the victim, not the guy with the LTC.

 

[Coyote33]

False flag? John Smith would be a great name for a character actor

Or an NES "screen name".

Here in Massachusetts, it's the criminal who got shot, he's the victim, not the guy with the LTC.

Well, that is just wrong. How did it come to this, and how can it be changed?

 

[heck ya beaches]

John Smith, 31 the newspaper article said.

Yeah, totally. Initially, the report was that the victim's name was Phillip McHerelegally, but that raised an eyebrow.

The shooter is being held without bail so MA has maximum time to frame things and there's no additional detail being released in a state that hates anyone that dares carry to defend themselves. I bet you a dollar his name isn't John Smith and he had an extensive criminal record.

 

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John Smith, 31 the newspaper article said.

Worcester Police Department asks public for information about fatal Highland St. shooting

The department asked anyone who was in the area of the shooting, which took place in the area of the Honey Farms located at 101 Highland Street, to contact the detective bureau.

www.masslive.com

 

[Coyote33]

Unless you can articulate a clear disparity of force that would put you in particular danger of death or disabling injury

So, trapped in your car, with a guy breaking your window in, is not a "disparity of force"?

 

[Mesatchornug]

So, trapped in your car, with a guy breaking your window in, is not a "disparity of force"?

Are you being hypothetical here, or do you know he was in his car? If so, do you know he couldn't drive the car away?

 

[42!]

So, trapped in your car, with a guy breaking your window in, is not a "disparity of force"?

I haven't seen anything that says he was inside or outside of the car.
But even if he was inside the car, he would need to show that he couldn't simply drive away.

 

[drgrant]

Worcester Police Department asks public for information about fatal Highland St. shooting

The department asked anyone who was in the area of the shooting, which took place in the area of the Honey Farms located at 101 Highland Street, to contact the detective bureau.

www.masslive.com

Translation: “ dear comrades, we only have circumstantial evidence to try to screw the guy who shot an illegal immigrant (hence john smith lol) that busted his window…pls halp”

 

[headednorth]

Translation: “ dear comrades, we only have circumstantial evidence to try to screw the guy who shot an illegal immigrant (hence john smith lol) that busted his window…pls halp”

Are they really lying about the guys name?

 

[Tartakovsky]

Are they really lying about the guys name?

Are you really surprised they’d lie about the illegal’s name?

 

[headednorth]

Are you really surprised they’d lie about the illegal’s name?

I could see them sitting on it, but releasing a false name is a new low if thats whats going on

 

[heck ya beaches]

I could see them sitting on it, but releasing a false name is a new low if thats whats going on

Only masslive is reporting it as Toby Hassajobenstein. That's probably because their reporter spent too much time on mass and cass or is trying to get a dry rub from an overweight liberal arts student. All others are "police did not release the name".

 

[42!]

Are you really surprised they’d lie about the illegal’s name?

It's possible they released the name they have AND it's a lie, just not theirs.
Wild speculation but maybe he had an ID with the name John Smith, but it's a fake? If he's an illegal with no record they may never be able to ID him. They would need to ask for someone to come forward.... which is what they are doing.

 

[EJFudd]

It's possible they released the name they have AND it's a lie, just not theirs.
Wild speculation but maybe he had an ID with the name John Smith, but it's a fake? If he's an illegal with no record they may never be able to ID him. They would need to ask for someone to come forward.... which is what they are doing.

I think we need Turtle Boy Sports on this case. Otherwise, we may never know the truth.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Only masslive is reporting it as Toby Hassajobenstein. That's probably because their reporter spent too much time on mass and cass or is trying to get a dry rub from an overweight liberal arts student. All others are "police did not release the name".

In a lot of outlying towns and cities, journalism is a lost art. Readers get a regurgitated press release or public statement. It's either laziness or an attitude of "if public officials don't want people to know then they shouldn't". If there were real journalism, reporters would dig beyond the summary presented by public officials - in this case the paper did not even publish details from the police report. Its like when the police withhold the name of an officer involved in a shooting - the local rags say it is withheld, but do not work their sources to get the name so they can publish the name.

 

[headednorth]

Why are we assuming his name isn't John Smith? I worked with a guy back in the day whose kid was named John Smith.

Doing the math in my head, he would be about 31 today and considering his upbringing it wouldn't surprise me if this was him. He has a pretty recognizable first-middle name combo.

 

[M1911]

Why are we assuming his name isn't John Smith? I worked with a guy back in the day whose kid was named John Smith.

Because this is NES and it must be a conspiracy.

 

[EJFudd]

Because this is NES and it must be a conspiracy.

And because the police outright said that it was a "John Doe" placeholder to keep his real name secret at the family's request.

 

[M1911]

And because the police outright said that it was a "John Doe" placeholder to keep his real name secret at the family's request.

And rather than suspend judgement until we know why they did that, let's make up a bunch of crap and keep repeating the lies that we've made up until no one on NES knows what's true and what is the figment of someone's imagination.

 

[EJFudd]

And rather than suspend judgement until we know why they did that, let's make a bunch of crap and keep repeating the lies that we've made up until no one on NES knows what's true and what is the figment of someone's imagination.

Isn't that how NES is supposed to work?

Seriously, the family may have some excellent and well-justified reason for wanting their relative's name kept top secret.

But meanwhile, the guy who defended himself is sitting in jail this Christmas with no one looking out for his family's reputation.

 

[M1911]

Maybe the shooter was completely justified. Maybe he wasn't justified at all. Most likely, it is somewhere in between, but we just don't know.

 

[drgrant]

Are they really lying about the guys name?

Who knows, it seems ultra generic…. The occams razor thing says "thats what it actually is" but it seems kind of bizarre that media is very quiet about who this guy is.