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CMP Releases 2019 Rulebooks....

Discussion in 'Mil Surp Collectors' started by dw617, Jan 12, 2019.

  1. mac1911

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    And some how a NM stamped sight is? This is why CMP actually has to define what NM is. Is it a specification or a Cartouche?
     

  2. mac1911

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    File that silly stamp off!
     
  3. dw617

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    Maybe I will have found an SP1 by Vermont...

    Not going to Butner this year, but I am going to Perry. Not shooting MM at Perry, or else I would end up being out there for like 1.5 weeks not including travel days.
     
  4. mac1911

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    f***s no! 25 year old pos!
    Today I took the kids roller skating. 2.5 hours of load music, flashing and spinning lights, screaming kids. i was just starting getting used to the headache! My mind suddenly said. F,CMP Im not spending another dollar trying to make a rifle that was legal before legal again. i will let them just rule change me right out of playing.
    I might mill off some weight from the Medium weight M1a barrel to at least make weight with that. Maybe.
     
  5. dw617

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    Kinda half joking about the SP1.

    I wonder what my M14 GI parts kit build weighs with the standard profile barrel.....
     
  6. Mountain

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    Beats driving all over creation for boiler burner parts and spending the rest of the day hunched over cleaning and repairing. At least got the beast up and running before the next arctic blast rolls in. Had planned to shoot the NM Garand today but shit happens.

    I like free floats, otherwise I would not spend money on MM. Not spending anything other than the free float.
     
  7. 76Too

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    8.8lbs for my dupage kit built on a fulton cast receiver WITH a stripper clip guide and a NM op rod guide installed...so room to play with.

    I'm only having issues because I didn't like my lockup and decided to swap to my 'loaded' SAI stock I bought off the other forum and refinished. I changed out the buttplate with a T44 rubber spacer and a garand buttplate (technically historically accurate and should be legal, i think) and i'm still dancing on the line according to the digital bathroom scale i have handy.

    If I have to, i'll take the stripper clip guide off and switch to a stamped op rod guide to make weight. I'll take tight lockup on a stock over smooth action...although I can't say i've actually ever fired an M14 without a NM op rod guide?!?!
     
  8. dw617

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    OK, so mine should be fine. Mine has a birch stock, but a quick google reveals walnut and birch are about the same density.
     
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    depends on the individual cut more than the type of tree it came from. those 'tiger stripes' all you fancy guys have are actually really dense sections of the wood, caused by changing wind direction while the tree is growing through the seasons. it causes the tree to build up at the flex points to compensate by adding strength to the stressed area.

    if there's one thing i know about, it's wood...you might call me an expert on the subject. :D

    ...many lonely nights with nothing but wood.
     
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  10. dw617

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    Well, I have a new MM rifle - a Colt SP1.
     
  11. Mountain

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    You suck. [wink]

    How does it shoot? Oh wait, it has to warm up first. [laugh]

    Nice score.
     
  12. dw617

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    Should know soon. I'll need to get some lighter bullets - 50/55 grain. All I have are 77 and 80's currently.
     
  13. Mountain

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    1/9?
     
  14. dw617

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    Think it's 1/12
     
  15. Mountain

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    [shocked] I have some 40 grain you can try. [smile]
     
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  16. mac1911

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    Jam some 77s down the tube, they will be fine.
     
  17. dw617

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    Gonna try some 52's. If there's time, maybe I'll enter this rifle into the postal match :)
     
  18. Mountain

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    Parts came in while I was away. If not today. I’ll finish my rules compliant abomination next weekend.

    ***

    Looks like the Seekins lightweight free float fore end is ~1 oz lighter than the delta ring setup. New front sight a hair lighter than the old one. I may get away with the A2 lower, otherwise I'll use the carbine skeleton stock.

    To be continued...
     
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  19. Mountain

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    So the free float tube isn't compatible with the iron front sight that I have. Something will have to be trimmed to get the sight all the way back against the stop and leave some room for barrel whip. Ugh... stupid CMP. Guess I'll have to grind or find an alternate.
     
  20. mac1911

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    This is why i gave a FU to cmp over the rules. I have my M1 garand for as issued JCG and my Vintage rifles. MM? Well since im only shooting pembroke you guys can give me crap for my 1/2lb over weight M1a and A2
     
  21. Mountain

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    Won't give you any crap. My M1A will probably be a little over. I'm going to swap the NM sight on the Bula for a standard sight and see if they will accept it at Vermont. May not shoot it assuming I have the new rules compliant AR that should be VERY accurate once free floated, assuming my eyes are having a decent day.

    Looks like the YHM folding front sight will work. I'll glue it open. I think they intend to allow sights on the float tube so folding gas block type should be OK. Same ears and front post as standard. I started down this rabbit hole so may as well finish.
     
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    I just picked up my "new" SP1. The SN puts it at 1972 production; the A1 stock doesn't even have a trap door! Rifle looks like it hasn't fired many rounds based on the wear on the bolt.

    Got some 52grain nosler HPBTs on the way as well.
     
  23. Mountain

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    Nice! How much does it weigh?
     
  24. dw617

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    No scale here.... but it's a feather weight. A guy on google says his weighs 7lb with mag + sling.

    I took some pics. Threw my A2 in there towards the end for comparison.


    View: https://imgur.com/a/ibSZr1R
     
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  25. Mountain

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    So the rules don't exactly mirror the CMP clarification letter that is posted on their website:

    It was brought to our attention that commonly available and inexpensive AR type rifles
    are sold with attributes (float tubes, alternate Sights, etc.) which would prevent them from
    competing due to the accurizing ban. Since the 2019 reversion to the previous weight limit of
    7.5 lbs (AR) will eliminate the possibility of competing with a Service Rifle therefore eliminating
    A2 with 20” barrels. This will promote a competition with pencil barrels and m4 clones which is
    in line with the original intent and spirit of the competition.
    In the interest if inclusivity and simplicity of enforcement, the 2019 rules relax any
    additional restrictions regarding accurizing beyond the clearly defined position on optics and
    overall weight. 2019 revisions will also ensure that other rifles, such as the M1A which is often
    sold with an “NM” front sight, will be legal for competition in their commonly available
    configuration.


    So if I bring an A2 that somehow makes weight will that be assumed to have been 'eliminated' from competition and therefore UMM? I'm mounting an alternate front sight for weight and clearance issues- per this letter it will be good to go, LOL right? Or are only pencil barrels and M4 clones legal? Doesn't say THAT in the rules. I'll have a free float AR with alternate front sight and alternate carbine butt stock that is fixed and Mass legal. Barrel is standard weight Criterion A2, not match rifle weight but not pencil either. It will be fun to check this in at Vermont next fall. I'll have the rules and the oxymoronic 'clarification' letter and if I DQ for regular MM I'll ask the tech to show me on the doll I mean show me in the rules where are the violations.

    So the Bula 'NM' front sight is now legal, if the Bula can make weight. Maybe get a laminated M1A stock and cut out the center of the butt stock to get it to 9.0 lbs. LOL that will piss off someone if it passes.
     
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    By the time I finally get my woa upper ordered in November the rules might change a few more times.
     
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    I don't understand why an A2 clone qualifying as modern military is against the spirit of that competition, but ok.
     
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  28. dw617

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    [rofl]

    That would be UMM anyways. Even at a local club like Pembroke where the rule interpretation might more forgiving, you would be told to shoot out of competition with a WOA upper. Do you plan on shooting High Power XTC?
     
  29. Mountain

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    Not a match upper? Typical WOA upper has a heavy match barrel- definitely 'unlimited' class. Regardless, save your old parts. I think by now I'll have enough parts choices to comply with almost anything they cook up for rules. If they go full out A4 or pencil barrel, I will bring my wife's pink carbine. I may bring that to Pembroke anyway.

    I stopped trying to 'get' the CMP rules a few weeks ago and mostly ridicule them and try to see how to push them yet remain 'legal'. No, an A2 that's not set up for high power and the like should be OK, but apparently it's not. CMP should just say they want more mall ninjas and be done with it.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Right, WOA sells several types of uppers. My mind just automatically goes to the 20" AR Service Rifle uppers....
     

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