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CMP Releases 2019 Rulebooks....

Discussion in 'Mil Surp Collectors' started by dw617, Jan 12, 2019.

  1. Arto

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    I may just free-float my A2 and use one of my lowers with a lightweight fixed butt stock that I already have. I much prefer free float uppers, so I really don't mind spending a couple bucks to get rid of the delta rings. Still would be fun to build something that is rules compliant but will piss off the whiners who must have been the inspiration for these rules. Perhaps it would piss off inspectors too for being an obvious push the absolute limits rifle. Clearly there must have been some bitching to change the rules AGAIN. As many times as the MM rules have been changed, CMP should have figured out by now to ignore a lot of that and pay more attention to what is actually normal and reasonable in terms of rifle configuration.

    For Pembroke MM I'll just shoot the Bula. I should ditch the hooded rear sight on my .308 M1 if I want to shoot that in MM.
     
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  3. Mountain

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    Correct. And... no weight limit for HighPower rifles.
     
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    It’s funny it’s about time for a vintage semi auto class. Say from M16a1 style and back.
    Then there should be the A2 class and M4 class.

    Keep it real simple.
     
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    No, I like the rules that keep changing every couple of years- especially the ones that make it either impossible for your current rifle to comply or the ones that will cost you money to comply. My absolute favorite rules are the ones that are written vaguely enough that you can travel to a bigger match and get bounced for something based on an inspector's interpretation.

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    Oh, one more thing: None of us will care at local CMP's, but if you bring the Bula to Vermont or Butner the inspector will notice your medium weight barrel and know that your rifle won't make weight. I was bounced for the stupid front sight but he did mention that he saw I had a 'National Match' barrel.
     
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    So an M1A standard, which also comes with a NM front, wouldnt even qualify?
     
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    They are going to have to define National Match now. Is it a spec or a cartouche?
     
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    I assume you mean NM front sight. Based on last year's rules, nope- illegal! Personally I thought it was a dick move to bounce me for the sight. I had shot the same gun in the previous Vermont CMP match with no problem. At my age a thinner sight is no help. I don't think NM sights were specifically verboten but fall under the fuzzy no additional accurizing rule.

    However... There is talk of NM sights being OK this year but I don't see in the rules where this is made clear.
     
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    Both, depending upon the mood of the inspector.
     
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    NM needs to be defined now , is it a specification or a cartouch.
    Things I might have missed thumbing through the rules.
    Is the 308 M1 still MM legal, what about the BM59s?
    I will mention that almost every firearm catagory except M1 garands has info and specs on sights.
    Only thing I seen for garand is modifying the rear aperture hole size is ok BUT put this on and DQ
    M1 Garand National Match Rear Sight Aperture USGI

    I will be adding a .100" front sight to every now. I will stamp my sight NMac .
     
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    Sad, but you are SO right about 'NM' stamps on sights. For non-CMP competitors, to get an idea of how frustrating the rules are- for M1's a NM marked op rod is OK but not sights even though you can make a standard sight's aperture the same size. Otherwise there's no difference unless you add a sight hood.
     
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    I missed a chance to shoot with Dakar today :( because I left my phone upstairs while I was in the basement being petty and vindictive:

    [​IMG]

    1.58 lbs without the buffer and spring, which add another ~.3 lbs. Lower comes from my first AR carbine build. It's a Seekins, which is well made and doesn't have a lot of extra meat where you don't need it. I had the ACE lightweight skeleton stock in the parts drawer. I'll have to use a standard grip, which will save a little more weight once I get rid of the rubber over-molded grip. Also in my spare parts was a RRA NM trigger group which breaks nicely at ~4.8 lbs pull.

    For the upper I have a carry handle NM sight (OK per new rules) and I do have another spare front sight that can replace the cut-down one on my current scoped MM upper. That upper has a 20" USGI profile Criterion barrel. I can free-float that and should be all clear for the stupid weight limit. I rarely scored worse than 99 or 98 in slow fire with that upper despite the potential for sling tension induced POI shifts. Free floating it should make cleaning the slow fire stage even easier except for using irons. Really all I need to spend money on is a free float hand guard.

    I may actually like this rifle when done. If I want to decorate it in some stupid theme, it might need to be reversible. Watch out for me at Pembroke- I'm going to ask the RSO to weigh everyone else's rifles. LOL, no; and I'd like to kick in the balls each and every turd that prompted these absurd new rules.
     
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    I wonder if that stock would comply to

    "The exterior configuration of the rifle must be the similar to that of the original military or military-type rifle;"?

    I have to admit, I was browsing M16A1 upper receivers today. Dupage had them, but sold out, for $600 with a buttstock, buffer and spring.
     
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    Yeah that could be an issue. However, at Vermont I did see several quite different butt stocks on MM AR’s. I wasn’t happy about the Bula front sight DQ so I was checking out all the different configurations that did get the standard zip tie for MM.

    Will they be allowing muzzle brakes now?
     
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    Which USGI profile?
    M16a1,A2,M4,socom?
     
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    Not the A2. That won't make weight.

    Can I glue some cardboard on it to make it look like the M4 butt? I saw stuff like this at Vermont-

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    Didn't get bounced into UMM.

    I have an M4 hand guard but for its size it's a heavy SOB. I'm thinking carbon fiber.
     
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    I was thinking of no and guards at all and glue some a pice of silicone oven mit on my glove
     
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    [rofl]
     
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    Today, more cursing the jackwads who initiated the latest in the endless series of CMP MM rules-

    I had Pullman pin my sight on the barrel when I had it neutered by them. They must use a press- it was a very neat job but those G-D pins would not back out even with a very large hammer. I think the banging woke up the entire family, and the neighbors too. If that didn't wake them up, my @#@#@$!!%@ cursing did. So now to grab the portable cut-off tool. Had to change the wheel and the wrench slipped off the nut, jamming my hand into a corner of the guard which gouged my hand open. Safety guard, yeah. More cursing- in general and directly aimed at the CMP. Made relief cuts in the old cut-down sight to loosen the pins, knocked the junked sight off the barrel, then went to work with the awesome AR15 multi-tool I bought from the forum. Finally the barrel is all stripped down and ready to free float. Now where did that flying buffer retainer go after it came back from orbit?

    This has always been a delta ring upper, but it once had a front sight. Then CMP allowed scopes in MM and my eyes aren't getting any younger, so... After a season of shooting the scope with the front sight shadow bugging me, I cut it down and did a little grind and polish job to smooth the top. Worked great, until CMP says I need to grow back that front sight. Since they are allowing free-float hand guards, no way am I not going to take advantage of that. PITA ridiculous project to continue- what body part will bleed next?
     
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    OK, so I bid on a Colt SP1 on GB last night - fortunately didn't win it, someone else wanted it wayyyyy more than I did.
     
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    'finished' building my M14 from scratch (barreled, lapped for contact and headspaced myself too), but still need to figure out if it's going to make weight or not. It comes in at 9lbs even on my home scale, but I still need to take the clip guide off. If I still don't make weight then, I can swap out the NM guide rod for a stamped steel job.

    What do you guys use for scales, anyway? Do you think if I carried it into the post office they would weigh it for me? [devil2]

    i'm going to shoot 1 round through it tomorrow and see if I still have fingers/face left. if so, I still have some parts to 'refinish' before the season (namely the spray painted black gas cylinder from my mystical box o parts), but other than that, she's fitted and ready to rock (i think).
     
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    Dibs on your M14 stuff. LOL, good luck and let us know how it runs.

    Actually, I still have that DuPage kit to build but may just bank that for a long time. I'll just take my Bula to Vermont and if they kick it out to UMM, then I'll grab the fugly AR project that will be technically legal. Maybe just grab a handful of rifles that I know won't be MM legal but bring them to inspection and ask anyway? Maybe I can run them out of UMM zip ties...

    I still can't figure out if they will or will not allow NM front sights for MM or if that means UMM. I guess if all else fails, I'll shoot my service rifle in UMM- after I add even more lead to it.
     
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    How high did it go?
     
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    Well since they are allowing aperture size changed and front sight size also it appears that if its stamped NM its DQ'd except M1 garands with NM op rod and gas cyl. ??
    I doubt if I will make it to VT but if I do i will have .100" wide sight on every rifle I bring if possible.
    Also if i mill off some meat on my M1a barrel I will make weight. I. Also working on ditching a few parts to make weight.
    Fun stuff and im still stumped at the rules? Seems " Mondern " was left out of the rule committee?
     
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    I have the non-NM M14 sight that came with the DuPage kit, may have to mount that.
     
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    $1650ish? plus shipping.

    I tapped out in the 1300 range.

    It was really nice, looked like it was fired very little.
     
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    It's widely accepted that the "NM" marked garand op rods and gas cylinders aren't really contributing to much, if anything, than stock components.
     

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