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Amazing video of cop getting shot on Front Sight website
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According to some other sites, he did use his baton when the perp charged him. Unfortunately he didn't continue to apply it until he had him on the ground and in cuffs.
Also, the officer apparently fired first, and got a hit on the perp's stomach, but this didn't stop him.
This video being posted on FS' website is absolutely 100% f-king rediculous. I will never even entertain to get any amount of training for any cost from that operation.
I've never understand the fascination with watching people get shot/stabbed and killed. Watching people get shot and stabbed is, what a normal person would call - "highly disturbing."
I've never understand the fascination with watching people get shot/stabbed and killed. Watching people get shot and stabbed is, what a normal person would call - "highly disturbing."
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Unbelievable that this is being used as an advertizement.
Dancing around, yelling shoot me, charging the officer? Officer should have shot as soon as he then saw the nutcase with a gun. Unfortunately he waited until the gun was out and aimed at him. Officer might have been shot 1st before returning fire against someone with a rifle.
Tragic case, hopefully future officers learn from this tape. No reason for Front sight to use it for maketing.
Dancing around, yelling shoot me, charging the officer? Officer should have shot as soon as he then saw the nutcase with a gun. Unfortunately he waited until the gun was out and aimed at him. Officer might have been shot 1st before returning fire against someone with a rifle.
Tragic case, hopefully future officers learn from this tape. No reason for Front sight to use it for maketing.
Titan
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Using this video to make a buck is the most reprehensible thing I've ever seen.
They'll never make a buck off of me and I'd suggest others vote with their wallets as well.
The only relevance to a video like that is to teach future LEOs (because they live by different rules re deadly force) and it should be done in an appropriate police training environment...NEVER for solicititation!
They'll never make a buck off of me and I'd suggest others vote with their wallets as well.
The only relevance to a video like that is to teach future LEOs (because they live by different rules re deadly force) and it should be done in an appropriate police training environment...NEVER for solicititation!
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I watched this once about 3-4 years ago and I will never watch it again. I'm all for it being used as a training tool to drive home to LEO's what can happen out there. Frontsight's use of it is simply reprehensible and subhuman IMHO.
maxdogk911
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20 years in law enforcement and I have seen some upsetting videos. FS is using this for one reason and one only, to make MORE money. I once thought about taking a course or two there in the future, now I would never consider it. I will write to the DR personally and tell him what I think about his using the death of a cop to raise money for his own personal gain. He is nothing short of a coward, hiding behind his money and a fancy suit. I would love to challenge him to a little hand to hand. I think we should gather up some kind of letter with signatures to send to this coward, along with an invatation for me and him to step into a darkened room. I'm pissed ! The video does have value to it, but not for his making more money off of it. But rather to show those that wish to get into this field, what can happen if you let someone control your destiney. There are video's out there he could have used, to make a training point. But not this one.
This!
Well, I watched the video and the first thing I thought of was his wife and 18 month old child.........just sickening!
The next thing i thought was how stressful that situation must have been. I'm sure we all said to ourselves "I would have shot him long before......" and blah blah blah but this tape tape shows that in a situation like that, emotions and fear take over and sometimes we don't think clearly. I'm sure if you showed this officer the tape he would have said "I would have shot him long before that" but the reality is when you are put in that situation, most of us have no idea how we would react. Here is a trained professional and his tentative reaction probably cost him his life. As sad and unfortunate as it is and even with the blatant lack of respect for the officers family, this video had the desired effect on me. I realize that in the heat of the moment I am liable to make the same fatal decisions. Unfortunately for Front Sight, they also convinced me to spend my money elsewhere. To publish that on your website is disgusting. To use it in the classroom as a training tool would have been a much better solution.
The next thing i thought was how stressful that situation must have been. I'm sure we all said to ourselves "I would have shot him long before......" and blah blah blah but this tape tape shows that in a situation like that, emotions and fear take over and sometimes we don't think clearly. I'm sure if you showed this officer the tape he would have said "I would have shot him long before that" but the reality is when you are put in that situation, most of us have no idea how we would react. Here is a trained professional and his tentative reaction probably cost him his life. As sad and unfortunate as it is and even with the blatant lack of respect for the officers family, this video had the desired effect on me. I realize that in the heat of the moment I am liable to make the same fatal decisions. Unfortunately for Front Sight, they also convinced me to spend my money elsewhere. To publish that on your website is disgusting. To use it in the classroom as a training tool would have been a much better solution.
Bill Nance
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I clicked on this thread figuring I probably wasn't going to watch the video. after reading some comments I'm really glad I resisted whatever sick impulses I might have had. I don't want to watch ANYONE getting killed, especially not the Good guys.
This kind of thing is little different in my mind than a snuff film. If I was AT front-sight and they were using it as a training aid, I'd have no problems whatever. Using it as an advertising tool is morally disgusting IMO.
Shame on Front-Sight! You can bet the antis will be using this as an example of gun-owner's collective blood-lust. I'm just about as disgusted as I've ever been at "one of us" right now. Spiitin', shaking mad. Front-sight is getting one Hell of a nasty letter from me over this. I hope the rest of you follow.
From the top of the page of the video:
What exactly do you clowns offer? Lessons on how to use a tragedy like this in the most graphic possible way as a way to make an extra nickel? Are you that f-ing hard up that you need to exploit this in the name of lucre? Worship that Mammon some more dirtbags, 'cause you'll never get a nickel out of me or anyone I may have the slightest impact on. -Grrrrr!![[flame]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/032.gif "Flame [flame]")
This kind of thing is little different in my mind than a snuff film. If I was AT front-sight and they were using it as a training aid, I'd have no problems whatever. Using it as an advertising tool is morally disgusting IMO.
Shame on Front-Sight! You can bet the antis will be using this as an example of gun-owner's collective blood-lust. I'm just about as disgusted as I've ever been at "one of us" right now. Spiitin', shaking mad. Front-sight is getting one Hell of a nasty letter from me over this. I hope the rest of you follow.
From the top of the page of the video:
What exactly do you clowns offer? Lessons on how to use a tragedy like this in the most graphic possible way as a way to make an extra nickel? Are you that f-ing hard up that you need to exploit this in the name of lucre? Worship that Mammon some more dirtbags, 'cause you'll never get a nickel out of me or anyone I may have the slightest impact on. -Grrrrr!
Sickening.....
Explain to me how his association with either has anything to do with his guilt?
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He thought the government was out to get him and had convinced himself that he had to kill any JBT who infringed on his rights, and it's rather unlikely that what few associates he had from his "militia" did anything to talk him out of this.
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Sickening video. However, I wouldn't consider this an 'ad'. It's on Piazza's blog, where he seems to write editorials about training. The only way I can even see getting to his blog from the Frontsight website is a tiny little link in the lower left hand corner of the page.
It's definitely not paid advertisement. Doesn't seem any different than if I posted this on my blog and followed it up with a rant about why the Police need better training.
It's definitely not paid advertisement. Doesn't seem any different than if I posted this on my blog and followed it up with a rant about why the Police need better training.
How about a call to the state police letting them know someone is using THEIR dashcam footage of one of their own being gunned down to advertise????
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See my other post on the topic. Governments in the US can't assert copyright.
You're not mailing out the link to thousands of people with the underlying message that if someone had spent thousands of dollars on your classes, that won't happen to you. Of course it's advertising.
If truly you think Piazza's blog is not marketing for FrontSight, then I don't know what to say to you.
Not so much shoot under pressure, but shoot "sooner"
Exactly...
As a LEO, and more specificly a LEO firearms instructor, I have unfortunately seen this video dozens of times. It is shown in many (if not all, by now) Use of Force / escalation of threat type classes (both at the academies and "in service" level), still his screams will haunt you. I won't get into it but there is another video out there (I believe thats probably the one tele_mark refers too) from another shooting which is equally haunting... I can only hope that after seeing this video "the guys" understand when you have a suspect this non-compliant you need to shoot as soon as you percieve a leathal threat (ie see he is gettting a gun). This video is a great training tool, but should never be any part of an advertisement...
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Please!No, they shouldn't be ashamed of themselves for using it and no the family shouldn't sue.
Matter of fact, the family should be happy they use it if it makes someone think about what they're doing and react accordingly before they are mowed down by someone who went back to a vehicle and spent a good minute or so retrieving a rifle from behind a seat, loaded it and then used it.
The cop should have shut his stupid yap after the first warning, taken aim at the first sight of the gun and open fired while moving aggressively towards his target.
Notice the other guy moved aggressively towards his target? He was determined........the cop was excessively hesitant and it cost him his life.
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No, they shouldn't be ashamed of themselves for using it and no the family shouldn't sue.
Matter of fact, the family should be happy they use it if it makes someone think about what they're doing and react accordingly before they are mowed down by someone who went back to a vehicle and spent a good minute or so retrieving a rifle from behind a seat, loaded it and then used it.
The cop should have shut his stupid yap after the first warning, taken aim at the first sight of the gun and open fired while moving aggressively towards his target.
Notice the other guy moved aggressively towards his target? He was determined........the cop was excessively hesitant and it cost him his life.
Wow, that might actually be one of the most evil and thoughtless replies to a post I have ever seen. You really are a disgusting human being.
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No, they shouldn't be ashamed of themselves for using it and no the family shouldn't sue.
Matter of fact, the family should be happy they use it if it makes someone think about what they're doing and react accordingly before they are mowed down by someone who went back to a vehicle and spent a good minute or so retrieving a rifle from behind a seat, loaded it and then used it.
The cop should have shut his stupid yap after the first warning, taken aim at the first sight of the gun and open fired while moving aggressively towards his target.
Notice the other guy moved aggressively towards his target? He was determined........the cop was excessively hesitant and it cost him his life.
Easy for you to say not being in his position.
When you have to worry about getting your ass sued over any force you use, nevermind deadly force, maybe you would have some idea what it would be like to be in his position.
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Finalygotabeltfed
What....you think I wouldn't get sued over use of force? What planet are you on? This is Massachusetts, anyone who uses a gun will be sued or prosecuted or both.
Edit: I'll bet that cop wishes he were around for a lawsuit.....even as a defendant.
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