XDs recall -- .45 ACP and 9x19

ntomsw said:
So your analysis is that they are holding peoples' guns for months on end, to save themselves a few dollars on machining the parts? I seriously doubt that is what's going on here.

"Hey Bill, let's hold onto 600,000 guns, so we can buy plastic replacement parts instead of aluminum."
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If you had to repair 600,000 guns and its a 1$ vs 3$ Fix that a huge savings .
When it comes to making new parts the biggest hold up after R&D figuring out the cheapest way to produce the part. They are already screwed on repairing all those guns. It's not only the cost of parts but also the labor.
I deal with production engineers every day dealing with quotes , me machining parts vs sending them out to a out side Cnc shop. Company's answer to share holders. When qc lets a defect slide by , those share holders care about cents .


Good example is a part my old boss would machine . Would take him 15mins to make one. After I took over I bought different tooling and now I do it under 5 mins . Even small scale that adds up big time. I'm not saying plastic vs metal just the way you make a part needs planing . My company you have to keep to a quoted length of time per a part . I've had people time me with a stop watch to quote jobs .
 
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ntomsw said:
So your analysis is that they are holding peoples' guns for months on end, to save themselves a few dollars on machining the parts? I seriously doubt that is what's going on here.

"Hey Bill, let's hold onto 600,000 guns, so we can buy plastic replacement parts instead of aluminum."
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I wouldn't doubt that possibility.
I worked at couple of places that did that.
Not to name names but they are "not specific electron exchange"

If they can hold 600,000 guns for no additional monetary hit to save $1 per retrofit, they'll do it. (That's $600k that stays in their pocket).
 
I know 1 way to fix this, it's not that hard.

Give everyone a voucher/credit for the price they paid of the gun, and let everyone pick a new SA model. In my case, I would buy the XDm 3.8 compact 9mm.
 
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Terminator03 said:
I remember reading your earlier posts about this. When you say that you have been able to "duplicate" the slam fire situation, does this mean that you have made it slam fire at the range while pointed safely down range, or that you have noticed the free floating pin, and assumed that it would cause a slam fire "hypothetically"? Not critiquing you, just asking for clarification. The reason being that several gun designs have a free floating pin that can be seen (or made to be) exposed past the breech face/bolt face, but that doesn't mean they will slam fire.
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No actual slamfire. An I have since realized the floating firing pin alone means nothing. Sorry about that. What I have had happen both on the firing line and thru simulation is get a condition where the trigger remains uncocked yet a round was loaded. This means that the firing pin was free floating when the slide pushed a round in the chamber and most probably light stuck the primer. But thankfully most primers need more than that. I have loaded up some dummy rounds for the next test when I have some time to verify...

Also a new point came to light. I'm left handed. Guess what happens when I go for the slide release? My web comes off the back strap. I LOLed when I realized the grip safety was not made with southpaws in mind...
 
No one's getting vouchers anyway. Unless this thing got dragged out for 6 months or something. It's been almost 6 weeks for me already.
 
ntomsw said:
The problem is with vouchers, is that the people in MA paid $950 for a $525 gun. [rofl][rofl]
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Only the 'tards, maybe. Most of the people I know that got them didn't pay much more than the free state price.

-Mike
 
Nick Fury said:
No actual slamfire. An I have since realized the floating firing pin alone means nothing. Sorry about that. What I have had happen both on the firing line and thru simulation is get a condition where the trigger remains uncocked yet a round was loaded. This means that the firing pin was free floating when the slide pushed a round in the chamber and most probably light stuck the primer. But thankfully most primers need more than that. I have loaded up some dummy rounds for the next test when I have some time to verify...

Also a new point came to light. I'm left handed. Guess what happens when I go for the slide release? My web comes off the back strap. I LOLed when I realized the grip safety was not made with southpaws in mind...
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Thanks for clarifying that. I would be curious to see what happens with further testing on those dummy rounds, so please make a new thread when you get around to testing that.

Regarding your other issue, couldn't you get around that completely by just racking the slide with your right hand rather than using the slide release? I personally never use the slide release on any of my guns since one of them mentioned specifically in the manual NOT to do that because it would cause premature where to the release. As such, I just got out of the habit of using the release on everything (except my ARs).
 
drgrant said:
Only the 'tards, maybe. Most of the people I know that got them didn't pay much more than the free state price.

-Mike
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While I partially agree with you (this is why I still don't have one), I think that it's so hard in most cases to find someone to transfer an off list gun into this craphole that people will pay the premium if they really want a specific model. It's a sad situation, but I even see that scalping in the classifieds on here when these guns come up for sale used. Like I said, that's why I still don't have one because I refuse to pay a 100% markup in some cases for a used gun (or even new).
 
XDs primer strike

I got around to putting a dummy round into the XDs 45 today and look what she gave me back...

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If you look close the firing pin appears to have hit twice with the first catching both primer and pocket during the loading cycle.
This of course was done by activating the slide release with the left hand and relieving the grip safety to reach it.
 
Nick Fury said:
I got around to putting a dummy round into the XDs 45 today and look what she gave me back...

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If you look close the firing pin appears to have hit twice with the first catching both primer and pocket during the loading cycle.
This of course was done by activating the slide release with the left hand and relieving the grip safety to reach it.
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Nice work. You should post that on the XD forum too, if you haven't already. While that indent doesn't appear to be deep enough to ignite most primers, you can see that it is "possible".
 
I just filed a complaint with the bbb. It is bullshit the way they are handling this.
Filed against :
Springfield Armory Company
420 W Main St
Geneseo IL 61254-1524

Complaint Description:
Springield Armory issued a recall for all xds pistols. They stated a 30day return. They lied about having a fix, and now won't return the pistol. Springfield Armory issued a recall of all XDS pistols. They stated it would be a 30 day turn around, and that they were adding a pin to the grip safety. Once the pistols were returned,Springfield Armory stated they did not know how they can fix the XDS pistols, and they will not return or refund the pistols.

Your Desired Resolution:
Either return, replace or refund my XDS 45 pistol.

This case will be reviewed by a complaint specialist at the Better Business Bureau, and then forwarded to the business for their response. It is our policy to allow the business 30 working days to respond to your complaint. You will be notified when the business has responded.
 
I'm curious what it is exactly that you expect the BBB to do about this. They are a useless organization.
 
Email from XDS today:

XD-S™ Recall Update 10/09/2013

XD-S™ Upgrade Testing Very Near Completion
We last updated this site Friday, October 4, with the good news that we have found what we believe is the final solution for the XD-S™ upgrade and that we would be continuing exhaustive testing through the week.
We are very pleased to let you know that a large majority of the testing is complete and is going extremely well. We believe we are very close to being able to give our valued customers more specific information about when they can expect their XD-S™ pistols to be returned to them.
We will update this site again on Friday, October 11 and fully expect that we will have more great news to share. We are making final arrangements for upgrading the pistols that our customers returned to us.
In the meantime, please accept our heartfelt thanks for your patience, loyalty and support of Springfield Armory®. We remain fully committed to resolving this recall as quickly as possible and we are confident that you will be extremely pleased with your upgraded 3.3 XD-S™.
As a reminder, do not use your 3.3 XD-S™ until the upgrade has been performed.¬¬
 

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