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89$ online trust .
200$ tax stamp.
15 mins on a bridge port 10$ worth of stock. Or 1 hour with a hack saw / bandsaw and files. Plus a m16 trigger .
You got a dias for your ar15.
Or 15-20 mins of mill time and convert a ar15 to m16/m4 lower.
Converting a ak little more of a pain.
I'd rather build a new ak then trying to remove the right side rail and then install a full auto rail. Weird how half the parts kits I've seen have semi auto bolt carriers yet included the full auto sear/ delay device .
You can go the online route but for just a little more you have have a local attorney do it (if in NH or Maine). The benefit of that is you can ask questions and you can more easily setup the trust to ensure the MG can be easily passed on to an heir if you pass away. Not saying you can't with the online ones but it is easier when you can actually talk to an attorney about your specific situation.
You can go the online route but for just a little more you have have a local attorney do it (if in NH or Maine). The benefit of that is you can ask questions and you can more easily setup the trust to ensure the MG can be easily passed on to an heir if you pass away. Not saying you can't with the online ones but it is easier when you can actually talk to an attorney about your specific situation.
That depends on what you mean by "a little more". Before using www.guntrustlawyer.com (basic trust, $200) I inquired with a MA attorney who specializes in firearms law. I was told it was $100 for the initial consultation and they absolutely refused to even ballpark a figure for me.
I hope this has been disseminated FAR beyond Arfcom and NES.FROM AR15.com - 9/14/2014
I hope this has been disseminated FAR beyond Arfcom and NES.
So we should all file form 1's ?
A gif posted in the arfcom thread fits here:
We would, and we're not going to be overturning Hughes (no offense, orpheus, just clarification) per se. Think of this not as an effort to repeal Hughes, but as a way to get what we want (post-86 MGs) while still complying with Hughes.
Hughes is limited to a select group (persons, as defined in 921). Trusts are not persons. Therefore, in order to comply with Hughes, we must not act as an individual, but we can act on behalf of a trust in compliance with the law.
It's not an overturn of Hughes, it is a new approach to compliance. The first use of NFA trusts was not an overturn of the CLEO signoff requirements or other parts of the NFA, it was a new approach to complying with the NFA yet streamlining the process.
So we should all file form 1's ?
Looks like it won't work.
Should I submit a Form 1 right now?
No. The door is closed. BATFE is rejecting Form 1's for new machine guns now. It will not make a difference. (Note: If this changes, we'll let you know)
I am not a lawyer, this is just based on my reading of 922 with the logic in this thread applied to it.
922(a)(3) - "It shall be unlawful— for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to transport into or receive in the State where he resides ... any firearm purchased or otherwise obtained by such person outside that State..."
This is what requires you to use an FFL for interstate purchases. If a trust is not a person, then this section does not prohibit trusts from transporting into or receiving in its state from another state.
922(b)(3) - " It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver— any firearm to any person who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in... the State in which the licensee’s place of business is located..."
Same logic here. And since I'm not aware of any other prohibitions against interstate transfer, the 922(o) machine gun logic would also allow for trust to trust interstate transfers.
Or we could repeal the NFA, GCA, 1986, etc. I would actually re-purchase cable just to watch the news if that happened. -and you'd be rich if you bought stock in popcorn factories. All gains from popcorn shares could balance any losses on Form-4 purchases.Also:
All your stamps are berong to US !!!!The tax stamp is currency. I do hope he fight that...
Imagine the implications if they could arbitrarily revoke any $20 you had in your pocket? Or other form 4 stamps?
See above, it is property and currency once possessed, revocation is a taking, taking requires judicial review. I am sure they believe otherwise, but that is why due process exists. To restrain agencies that believe otherwise and ensure that the people are secure in their persons and effects.Since the power given to the ATF is the power to tax, do they have the power to untax? Can they revoke these stamps?
"They" can just have the police come and steal it. http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/stop-and-seize/The tax stamp is currency and property. I do hope he fights that...
Imagine the implications if they could arbitrarily revoke any $20 you had in your pocket? Or other form 4 stamps?
Property cannot be taken without due process.
You mean like how they revoked the redeemability of silver certificated for bullion in 1968?Imagine the implications if they could arbitrarily revoke any $20 you had in your pocket? Or other form 4 stamps?
In theory, maybe. In practice, not even close.Property cannot be taken without due process.
A friend of mine sold his PNG carry permit for $30,000 AUS ($28K USD) back in 2007, but had to throw in a Glock to sweeten the deal. He tells me the going rate is now $50,000.Gotta say yes to the taxi medallions, but the PNG carry permits is a new one on me.
A friend of mine sold his PNG carry permit for $30,000 AUS ($28K USD) back in 2007, but had to throw in a Glock to sweeten the deal. He tells me the going rate is now $50,000.
He didn't actually sell his permit (he still has the expired one - scan in another thread); he just sold his "slot" in the permit system that permits no new entries, but allows new permit holders to come in as others leave vacancies.
And, once the current generation of people who got their permits before the "market system" was put in place dies off, all carry permits will be in the hands of rich people (with, perhaps, a small number inherited by persons of modest means).The ANTIs get a new ally in the fight to keep the ban/plan in place -- the rich people who want to protect their "investment value" that the current system creates. Ain't no way that the gun owner in PNG who spends $50,000 for his permit is going to want the permit system opened back up.
It's a briliant plan, when you get right down to it, similar to the "ban" on new machine guns in the US.
The ANTIs get a new ally in the fight to keep the ban/plan in place -- the rich people who want to protect their "investment value" that the current system creates. Ain't no way that the gun owner in PNG who spends $50,000 for his permit is going to want the permit system opened back up.