I have a few people I know who are older (>60) with significant prior health issues like heart and multiple lung cancers that will be getting the vaccine. But I honestly don't know any person under 50 at work or friend that is getting it.
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Ironically, of the five people I know that have been vaccinated, all are under 40.I have a few people I know who are older (>60) with significant prior health issues like heart and multiple lung cancers that will be getting the vaccine. But I honestly don't know any person under 50 at work or friend that is getting it.
That's some black and white thinking there. No-one is "telling everyone who gets it they’re going to die in the coming years."
The fact is the so-called vaccines are not vaccines, they are experimental medical treatments administered under an FDA emergency use authorization.
Now, I believe the people who developed the "vaccines" applied their best, good faith efforts. I also believe the long term effects of the "vaccines" are not predictable at this time. We will see what happens.
The vaccine literally turns you into a GMO. Your DNA gets modified and your cells are going to produce virus spike proteins for the rest of your life that you're immune system is going to forever try to destroy. There's so many ways this could go sideways. What if the never ending production and destruction of spike proteins causes some kind of feedback loop that f***s up all kinds of shit and causes all kinds of inflammation? What if the permanent production of spike proteins eventually trains your immune system to no longer see the spike proteins as foreign and you just start accumulating massive amounts of spike protein in your blood. Oh, but the spike protein is harmless says Lord Fauci. We'll see, won't we?
I'm not a biologist/immunologist/epidemiologist, but seems like this kind of vaccine should have had 10+ years long term studies. I'd actually be fairly comfortable taking a vaccine if it was a traditional style live virus/modified live virus type.
Shit if the mechanism of action here is that your cells will produce the spike protein that will be recognized as foreign in order to generate an immune response, why not just use sheep or something to produce industrial amounts of spike protein and then inject people with this "harmless protein". Your immune system would recognize it as foreign, just the same, and create antibodies......why the f*** to MY cells need to become coronavirus spike protein factories?
Serious question, the Infection Fatality Rate turned out to look exponential with age of infected person:I am not an expert either, but I don't think it works that way.
mRNA vaccines work by introducing a messenger RNA into the host cells.... the same thing that a live virus does. The mRNA provides instructions to the cell to make whatever protein the mRNA is coded for. An inoculated cell effectively stops doing whatever it is supposed to be doing and starts making whatever protein it has been instructed to make. These proteins are noticed by the immune system which then mounts an attack on them as being foreign to the body. This means the body attacks the inoculated cells and destroys them. This process takes some time, thus the 1-3 week lag time between the jab and it doing anything. When it is all over, there are no longer any inoculated cells left, your DNA is unmodified (mRNA doesn't replicate) and your immune system has mopped up all the errant proteins. The next time those proteins are seen the body reacts. This is why the second jabs often make you sick for a day. Your body actually knows what to do with it and attacks.
Theoretically this is just an easier and faster way to do the same thing that using a dead or weakened virus does in a vaccine. Since the mRNA only make one protein rather than the entire viral package, it can't infect additional cells.
All that said I will say what I said before:
This is the first ever mRNA vaccine approved in any way for use in humans. It only has emergency use authorization, not approval. It was developed faster than any vaccine ever before for a virus we know very little about. It is being pushed as the only solution to a virus that has over a 99% survival rate and the only possible path back to "normal life". The people selling us this solution are the same people who told us it was nothing to worry about while China was recreating the movie "Outbreak" in one of their larger cities. These people told us that limiting travel was racist and ineffective and are the same people who have limited my travel and activities for the last year. Masks, which have never been suggested for previous viral outbreaks (flu) were ineffective against this virus until they decided they weren't. All of a sudden they were the best possible way to stop this and if we all just wore a mask we would be done with this in a few weeks. You could catch it more than once, until you probably couldn't. Biker rallies were superspreader events but BLM riots weren't. Two weeks to stop the spread... I have, over the last year, come to realize that I have been repeatedly lied to about this topic, many others, and likely most things the media and experts have been telling me. At best, I have been told half truths by the incompetent. At worst I have been lied to by people with an agenda. I have absolutely no trust in those who are telling me that I need to have this vaccine or that it is safe. I will take my chances that if I get the virus that I will be one of the 99%+ who survive it.
No... just no. Your DNA does not get altered by the mRNA vaccines.The vaccine literally turns you into a GMO. Your DNA gets modified and your cells are going to produce virus spike proteins for the rest of your life that you're immune system is going to forever try to destroy. There's so many ways this could go sideways. What if the never ending production and destruction of spike proteins causes some kind of feedback loop that f***s up all kinds of shit and causes all kinds of inflammation? What if the permanent production of spike proteins eventually trains your immune system to no longer see the spike proteins as foreign and you just start accumulating massive amounts of spike protein in your blood. Oh, but the spike protein is harmless says Lord Fauci. We'll see, won't we?
I'm not a biologist/immunologist/epidemiologist, but seems like this kind of vaccine should have had 10+ years long term studies. I'd actually be fairly comfortable taking a vaccine if it was a traditional style live virus/modified live virus type.
Shit if the mechanism of action here is that your cells will produce the spike protein that will be recognized as foreign in order to generate an immune response, why not just use sheep or something to produce industrial amounts of spike protein and then inject people with this "harmless protein". Your immune system would recognize it as foreign, just the same, and create antibodies......why the f*** to MY cells need to become coronavirus spike protein factories?
No, it doesn't.Your DNA gets modified...
That's not enough? You also forgot no long term testing conducted. Look no further than zyrtec and baby powder for examples, and those are just the most recent off my head.other than a general distrust of government or the vaccine.
That's enough to be skeptical, but I don't know if that's enough to be "certain" of them causing autoimmune disorders in [x] number of years as some have foretold. I'm not familiar with the Zyrtec one, I found some certain rare side effects, but nothing major.That's not enough? You also forgot no long term testing conducted. Look no further than zyrtec and baby powder for examples, and those are just the most recent off my head.
Having read the article in the OP, I'm still stuck on what is Accom's Razor, LOL
Serious question, the Infection Fatality Rate turned out to look exponential with age of infected person:
You're basically proposing the "let 'er rip" public health strategy, e.g., don't do anything different, it's more cost than benefit to take any preventive measures.
What kind of infection fatality rate curve would cause you to take different measures? If it were 2% in your age group? 5%? 10%
Just curious where you set the threshold. And remember, it's not just a personal decision, with communicable diseases, unless you think Typhoid Mary
was a libertarian hero.
Serious question, the Infection Fatality Rate turned out to look exponential with age of infected person:
You're basically proposing the "let 'er rip" public health strategy, e.g., don't do anything different, it's more cost than benefit to take any preventive measures.
What kind of infection fatality rate curve would cause you to take different measures? If it were 2% in your age group? 5%? 10%
Just curious where you set the threshold. And remember, it's not just a personal decision, with communicable diseases, unless you think Typhoid Mary
was a libertarian hero.
My wife has multiple autoimmune disorders (kidneys, lungs, heart, digestive, multiple forms of arthritis) and is on two immunosuppressants. Ironically, these two actually boost her immune response to viruses, generally. But they also mean that this vax is likely to be far more dangerous to her than covid would be. Her doctors actually recommend against her getting any of the Mexicon Beer virus vaccines.I have a few people I know who are older (>60) with significant prior health issues like heart and multiple lung cancers that will be getting the vaccine. But I honestly don't know any person under 50 at work or friend that is getting it.
I am not an expert either, but I don't think it works that way.
mRNA vaccines work by introducing a messenger RNA into the host cells.... the same thing that a live virus does. The mRNA provides instructions to the cell to make whatever protein the mRNA is coded for. An inoculated cell effectively stops doing whatever it is supposed to be doing and starts making whatever protein it has been instructed to make. These proteins are noticed by the immune system which then mounts an attack on them as being foreign to the body. This means the body attacks the inoculated cells and destroys them. This process takes some time, thus the 1-3 week lag time between the jab and it doing anything. When it is all over, there are no longer any inoculated cells left, your DNA is unmodified (mRNA doesn't replicate) and your immune system has mopped up all the errant proteins. The next time those proteins are seen the body reacts. This is why the second jabs often make you sick for a day. Your body actually knows what to do with it and attacks.
Theoretically this is just an easier and faster way to do the same thing that using a dead or weakened virus does in a vaccine. Since the mRNA only make one protein rather than the entire viral package, it can't infect additional cells.
All that said I will say what I said before:
This is the first ever mRNA vaccine approved in any way for use in humans. It only has emergency use authorization, not approval. It was developed faster than any vaccine ever before for a virus we know very little about. It is being pushed as the only solution to a virus that has over a 99% survival rate and the only possible path back to "normal life". The people selling us this solution are the same people who told us it was nothing to worry about while China was recreating the movie "Outbreak" in one of their larger cities. These people told us that limiting travel was racist and ineffective and are the same people who have limited my travel and activities for the last year. Masks, which have never been suggested for previous viral outbreaks (flu) were ineffective against this virus until they decided they weren't. All of a sudden they were the best possible way to stop this and if we all just wore a mask we would be done with this in a few weeks. You could catch it more than once, until you probably couldn't. Biker rallies were superspreader events but BLM riots weren't. Two weeks to stop the spread... I have, over the last year, come to realize that I have been repeatedly lied to about this topic, many others, and likely most things the media and experts have been telling me. At best, I have been told half truths by the incompetent. At worst I have been lied to by people with an agenda. I have absolutely no trust in those who are telling me that I need to have this vaccine or that it is safe. I will take my chances that if I get the virus that I will be one of the 99%+ who survive it.
Care to explain why its not a vaccine?I agree 99.9%. The .1% deduction was the fact that you called it a vaccine. It is not a vaccine. We need to stop calling it that. Just because they call it that, doesn't make it so.
Care to explain why its not a vaccine?
My understanding of the word is that it doesn't require the material that stimulates an immune response to be any particular thing. (Like a weakened or dead virus). So a mRNA vaccine is still a vaccine.
I think it is semantics by people that do not like them.Care to explain why its not a vaccine?
My understanding of the word is that it doesn't require the material that stimulates an immune response to be any particular thing. (Like a weakened or dead virus). So a mRNA vaccine is still a vaccine.
I think it is semantics by people that do not like them.
They cling to vaccine being narrowly defined as needing to be dead/weakened virus.
Similarly, they call the COVID vaccines gene therapies, which they are not by traditional definitions, since the COVID vaccines do not alter your DNA or take the place of other genes.
That's not enough? You also forgot no long term testing conducted. Look no further than zyrtec and baby powder for examples, and those are just the most recent off my head.
Suddenly that's a pharmaceutical? The issue with baby powder was that they "claimed" that the talc contained a small amount of asbestos. The issue is fueled by law firms and little by science.baby powder
Actually quite a bit more have received at least one dose..Roughly 1% of Americans die every year. The average age of the people currently receiving vaccines is well above the national average. So lets assume an annual death rate of 2% for this subgroup.
That means that on any given day .006% will die.
19% of the population has received at least one dose. That is roughly 60 million people.
Of that 60 mil, roughly 3600 will die on any given day.
So, given the short time window and the large number of natural deaths in a huge pool of recipients, it is inevitable that some of those deaths will occur right after vaccination, just by chance.
I'm not saying that the vaccine hasn't caused any deaths. Anytime you stress the body there are some who will have unanticipated problems.
Just that for certain people, the risk of covid far outweighs the risk of the vaccine. Like my parents. Both overweight, in their late 70s, one with emphysema and the other COPD. (ex smokers)
For others, the risk of covid is essentially zero. (zero kids in MA dead from covid under age 20 so far). So there is no reason to rush a vaccine. I will be putting off my kids vaccine for as long as I can.
Why give Alex Jones the clicks
How does this vaccine alter your dna? There is no medical evidence of this. And ya ya I know, get my head out of the sandYou are incorrect on both counts above. Get your head out of the sand.
For all the god damned times I've explained what you can do with a pre-ban lower and you are a douche about this??If you haven't been paying attention, that's on you. It has been covered here over and over again for months. Get your damn head out of the sand.
You do realize the Chinese Sinovac vaccine is a traditional weakened / dead virus vaccine?I keep saying no to china vaccine for the last 3 months.