namedpipes
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Pardon my ignorance. I did not know this kind of porn existed.
I really thought that one would slip under the radar
I respectfully suggest that you know exactly what I was punning about!
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Pardon my ignorance. I did not know this kind of porn existed.
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Loopy threads demand loopy videos.There's a 10 hour loop out there someplace.
You know how many times I've bought a gun, didn't like it, and immediately sold it... Happens all the time. These aren't exactly items you can try before you buy in most cases.
I'm assuming by FFL you mean dealer not C&R1. If I know a guy selling a gun, can I buy it with the intention of flipping it to another guy who I know wants it? On eFA10. Can I do this 4 times a year?
2. If I know a guy selling a gun, can I buy it with the intention of flipping it to a FFL? Can this be done 4 times a year?
3. If a FFL knows a guy who has a friend selling a gun, can the FFL give the guy the money with the intent of the guy to buy the friends gun AND then sell it to the FFL? (Guy acting as middleman between original owner and FFL)
4. If a FFL sees a gun on the classifieds and buys it with the intent to sell to a known customer who wants that sort of gun?
The state seems to be cracking down on all maters of gun sales and is stretching the intent of straw purchase laws - if not the letter of the law.
It seems to me that when a FFL is involved, it is less of a straw purchase.
What say the hive?
I'm so disappointed in myself for clicking on this thread and even more so by posting in it.
I'll go choke myself now.
That is incorrect. Whether or not the person you intend to sell/give it to can legally purchase it is irrelevant, the intent to buy a gun not for yourself on a 4473 is the crime. Read what you are signing!For the record none of those were straw purchases. It's a straw purchase if you buy a gun with the intent to sell or give it to someone who cannot legally buy a gun themselves. if your buyer has a valid legal LTC, then there is no straw purchase.
We have had this discussion many times. I remember a NES member (one of the ones that is good with laws) telling me I couldn't even buy a gun for a licensed persons birthday. I would have to go with that person to the shop, I could pay for it, but that person should buy it.Yawn...I was under the impression that a straw purchase meant buying for someone who could not legally buy on their own. Am I wrong? what if I only want it for myself for a few minutes and then legally transfer to another person?
ATF guidance.Scenario #5:
You want to buy a gun from a friend to sell to a dealer who wants to sell it back to your friend for the same price you sold it to him for which is less than you bought it from your friend for but equally to the amount you bought a different gun from a different friend for of which you had already sold to the first friend for at the difference of the price of the first gun sale from your friend and then to the dealer. In this scenario, is it legal and who, if anyone, made a profit?
Autoerotic asphyxiation right in with this thread.
We all thought that too...until Abramski v. United States - WikipediaYawn...I was under the impression that a straw purchase meant buying for someone who could not legally buy on their own. Am I wrong? what if I only want it for myself for a few minutes and then legally transfer to another person?
The back of the 4473 says that a bona fide gift where NO money changes hands is good to go'How about I buy myself a gun and a short time later, IDK could be ten minutes, 10 hours or 10 days, I decide I hate it, then I GIVE it to my buddy who is broke AND is properly licensed and we do a FA10. Just how does this work?
The whole thing is about your intent when you buy it. That's why there are so few prosecutions, it's hard to prove intent when you can change your mind literally right after buying it. As you walk to the door of the gun shop you realise you should not have spent that money, so you decide to sell it. You intended to keep it when you bought it, but you changed your mind.How about I buy myself a gun and a short time later, IDK could be ten minutes, 10 hours or 10 days, I decide I hate it, then I GIVE it to my buddy who is broke AND is properly licensed and we do a FA10. Just how does this work?
The question is ... how long do you have to own the gun before you can sell it to a licensed friend and not be considered a straw purchase?We all thought that too...until Abramski v. United States - Wikipedia
Hmmm how about "I intended to keep it, but then my buddy offered me more than I paid for it on the way out the door of the gun shop"? That's when you changed your "intent". But I wouldn't try that too often, it would be tough to get a conviction if it happened once, but 10 times in a month will sound a bit different to the jury.The question is ... how long do you have to own the gun before you can sell it to a licensed friend and not be considered a straw purchase?
1 week?
1 month?
1 year?
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