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that's bullshit. **** this state.
The screeching noise referred to in earlier complaints must be fly-overs from Westover Air Base. The touch-and-go training on some weekends can be pretty loud.
I doubt any windows were rattled, but if that did happen it would have had to have been 50 BMG, which has since been banned at the club because some numbnuts was damaging club plates. Bummer, but I understand the club's position.
The town not only issued a C&D for the long range, they also issued a C&D for the covered 350 yard range due to permitting issues. The 350 yard range is still open via positions outside of the covered building. I recently 'passed' the 1,000 yard orientation and hope that we soon have the long range reopened.
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Please think before you post in this thread. Comments detrimental to the club's position might get this thread deleted.
That said....The C&D for the EXISTING range is a total dick move by the shitheads on the zoning board. If they can do that, they can tell you the house you have in the town, since the 70's, is no longer compliant....and you have to move out. Not cool.
The club is represented at the meeting, but the article makes it sound like the didn't, or weren't allowed to, make their case? ?Two lawyers representing the gun club attended the meeting, but declined to comment.
Club president Andre Mercier attended the meeting. He also declined to comment.
Are jest buzzing the club to harass itI was there recently and several times jets flew over the range. This harassment of clubs never seems to end.
They will invent problems or requirements just to demonstrate they have power.You've never tried to pull a permit for a remodel, have you? Zoning boards are full of mini-Hitlers.
The screeching noise referred to in earlier complaints must be fly-overs from Westover Air Base. The touch-and-go training on some weekends can be pretty loud.
I doubt any windows were rattled, but if that did happen it would have had to have been 50 BMG, which has since been banned at the club because some numbnuts was damaging club plates. Bummer, but I understand the club's position.
The town not only issued a C&D for the long range, they also issued a C&D for the covered 350 yard range due to permitting issues. The 350 yard range is still open via positions outside of the covered building. I recently 'passed' the 1,000 yard orientation and hope that we soon have the long range reopened.
A reminder to fellow NESers:
Please think before you post in this thread. Comments detrimental to the club's position might get this thread deleted.
So, time for a machine gun shoot?
You've never tried to pull a permit for a remodel, have you? Zoning boards are full of mini-Hitlers. [/FONT]
Why should I have to pull permit for a remodel? This whole permitting system is nothing but a scam by the state to obtain more money out of its citizens.
Are jest buzzing the club to harass it
They will invent problems or requirements just to demonstrate they have power.
If it was truly about safety, making sure framing and mechanical's are done properly it would be a flat fee and not based on the "value" of the job IMO. And there would be no bullshit permit fees for siding your house or changing windows...
So, time for a machine gun shoot? Bring out the .300 mags to the 350 yard range?
You've never tried to pull a permit for a remodel, have you? Zoning boards are full of mini-Hitlers.
The better watch out on the permit shit... thats was the nail in the coffin for scituate after they had some rounds leave the range. They didnt have permits for some buildings/structures along with a range not on the plans IIRC
Is there a a donation system intact for legal fees.
So, time for a machine gun shoot? Bring out the .300 mags to the 350 yard range?
Zoning boards are full of mini-Hitlers.
As I understand it, the pre-existing use of a property is what is grandfathered WRT to zoning usage laws/regulations, not just pre-existing facilities. Normal evolution and growth of the same usage over time is also grandfathered, but apparently the usage my not be grandfathered if the quantity or nature of the use increases significantly in a short period of time. I also gather what constitutes "significant" and "short time" is somewhat ambiguous, not clearly or consistently defined by current law or case law.
I suspect this is what Granby is using as justification. Clearly adding a range to an existing gun club is not a new use. Whether adding this particular range to this particular club constitutes a significant change in the "quantity" or "nature" of the use appears to be the point in question.
Also, these two lines in the article struck me as strange:
The club is represented at the meeting, but the article makes it sound like the didn't, or weren't allowed to, make their case? ?
Hopefully this does not affect their chances at the next step, which I think should be going to the ZBA.
"At start of Tuesday's deliberations, Selectmen Chairman Mark Bail said the board "does not see this as a Second Amendment issue ... we can only address zoning enforcement issues tonight.""
"It is unfortunate it came to this, (but) all reasonable attempts to bring relief to the neighbors and abutters failed," Brougham