Dude your crazy. What if you NR the slide? Condition 4 the way to go. Safe as shit
Condition 4? How about Condition FR. No round in chamber, slide locked back and empty mag back at home. It may be a steel rock, but at least you'll never have an ND.
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Dude your crazy. What if you NR the slide? Condition 4 the way to go. Safe as shit
I think you need more range time...Mine's in condition 3 so no worries there. I'd tell the cop that too.
To be honest the reason I don't carry is this:
Probability of having to defend myself with a firearm in the towns in which I live and work and on the roads in between = zero.
Probability of some weird shit happening as a result of carrying = greater than zero.
I understand this calculation will be different for other people.
Probably not.
I certainly don't when I make a stop.
Condition 4? How about Condition FR. No round in chamber, slide locked back and empty mag back at home. It may be a steel rock, but at least you'll never have an ND.
There is some irony that he only asks if he sees the LTC. Never say never, but people who are actually licensed are generally not the ones I'm worried about.
The instant on fad is done. Most cops just sit with it on. Radar detectors work great again. Also, GPS based units like the Escort 9500 allow you to mark locations with door openers so that you can eliminate most false alarms on any route you drive regularly. It won't block out a real radar because it counts the number of signals, and any additional will trigger an alert.
They do not however work on the interstates in CT. There the cops use laser almost exclusively. With laser, all the detector does is tell you in advance that you are going to get pulled over.
0.Mine's in condition 3 so no worries there.
No fear Troll, just power, the power of controlling my own destiny if and only if needed.I prefer condition 5. Trigger lock installed, pistol locked in safe, ammunition locked up at the other end of the house.
When I encounter a BG at the milkshake drive through I'll just ask him if he minds waiting 20 minutes while I run home.
I guess I just realized I don't live in fear.
So in all the other 49 states (57 if you're Obama) people have no problem obeying flag men. Only in this shithole do they ignore them.
Now I carry in the shower. Thanks. +p cocked and locked. I hope I get jumped in there, because I'll already have the shower curtain to wrap the body in while I scan for additional meth threats.
I like how you party.Throw some Sudafed into the far corner of the bathroom - it'll occupy those tweakers for the precious few seconds you need to get better tactical positioning, split their attention, and task saturate them trying to decide kill naked guy or cook meth.
The cop knew about the LTC and all of his guns before he got out of his cruiser the first time.
From what I recall being discussed here before, unless Natick has none or the most bass-ackwards terminals in their cruisers LTC status shows up as a line item on the main screen when they run the plate and if it is registered to the person who has the LTC. They can drill down on that to see the fa-10 generated list.I definitely considered this, but he really just caught a glimpse of the top "Commonwealth of Massachusetts" banner. Next time I'll just make sure my wallet is facing the other way.
Actually I asked him about that. He claimed that unless it was issued by the town or there was something outstanding from the State Police that it would not be instantly visible.
ETA: This happened in Natick.
Keep the LTC tucked well out of sight somewhere in the wallet other than with the driver's license.. . . [LEO says] I saw the top of your LTC when you were getting your license . . .
Does this differ from town to town, Obie? I have had several guys tell me that the info comes up when you run a DL and others have said that it doesn't.
"What have I done that has raised your suspicion sir?"
"Am I suspected of being a felon?"
Weird thing to say.Officer: I was trained in situations like this to take the gun so that while I'm writing a ticket I don't get a bullet in the head.
I won't criticize your action, but let's hope what the cop no doubt sees as your failure to obey was not submitted to the issuing authority of your LTC.Me: I'm sorry but I don't feel comfortable given the circumstances to reach for my firearm. I'm also a certified instructor if that makes you feel any better. (it shouldn't, and I'm not sure that it did)
Wow....
I understand the risk . I also go to places that I cant bring a weapon to shows etc.
I don't limit what I do if I can bring my gun with me or not. I've read plenty of people say they won't go to Boston period . I used to take the train in at 13 years old and skate board in bad areas.
Heck I've been known to get a buzz on at my bon fires. Stumble to the sonics after midnight to get food alone with out carrying ... Then fall a sleep in a rocking chair by the fire.
If I wake up and get hungry I'm not carrying a gun to make a sandwich, I'll grab a smoke and make a sandwich . just my choice.
I feel the same way about any one if you carry 24/7 night and day good for you . If you carry just when your going to shirty areas good for you too.
I've been stabbed at a skate park before . Shit kicked out of me by cops. I know the risks.
It's my time it's my time I just don't give a shit I guess. That said I do carry most of the time.
I won't criticize your action, but let's hope what the cop no doubt sees as your failure to obey was not submitted to the issuing authority of your LTC.
I got pulled over while carrying late this afternoon (amazingly this is the first time) and I had a sort of interesting experience.
The officer approached the window and did the usual license/registration request, at which point I inquired as to the reason for the stop. Apparently my inspection was expired (stupid MA). After I handed over my registration he asked me if there were any guns/weapons in the vehicle. I calmly responded that I have my ltc and was in fact carrying. The following is a partially abridged (& paraphrased) transcript of what followed.
Officer: What are you carrying? Do you usually carry?
Me: Ruger LCR under my left arm. Yes, I almost always carry.
Officer: I'd like you to slowly and carefully hand me the firearm.
Me: Is there a specific reason?
Officer: I was trained in situations like this to take the gun so that while I'm writing a ticket I don't get a bullet in the head.
Me: I'm sorry but I don't feel comfortable given the circumstances to reach for my firearm. I'm also a certified instructor if that makes you feel any better. (it shouldn't, and I'm not sure that it did)
Officer: Please stay in the car.
After a long wait...
Officer: I'm giving you a warning for the expired inspection. It would have been a lot faster if you had given me the firearm. That way I could simply do my paperwork instead of having to write a line and look up, write a line and look up, etc. I saw the top of your LTC when you were getting your license, which is why I asked. I'm not trying to infringe on any rights; I carry every day.
Me: I understand and appreciate how you feel, but I just didn't feel that there was any safe way for me to hand the gun over.
And that was pretty much it. The overall tone was short of friendly but mutually courteous, and I appreciate that he stated his desire not to infringe. That being said, I find it generally disheartening that he says he was trained to disarm a law abiding citizen in order to avoid "getting a bullet in the head". I have nothing but respect for the job that police officers do, but that made me sad.
Oh yeah, and my kids were in the back seat. I had to explain why the nice officer felt the need to say that he didn't want a bullet to the head.
Not a bad experience overall I suppose (hey, only a warning!). It was just a strange mix for me; he was very non-confrontational with his tone but at the same time managed to make me feel like he sees a licensed carrier as an inherent unknown/threat.
Just thought I'd share. That is all.
I prefer condition 5. Trigger lock installed, pistol locked in safe, ammunition locked up at the other end of the house.
When I encounter a BG at the milkshake drive through I'll just ask him if he minds waiting 20 minutes while I run home.
I guess I just realized I don't live in fear.
Any cop that even begins to approach dink level gets the 5th. That one is still intact isn't it?
The cop knew about the LTC and all of his guns before he got out of his cruiser the first time.