Natick Mall Firearms K9

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Was in the Natick Mall the other day and saw an electronic sign indicating an active, regular K9 patrol for firearms and sure enough the dog and handler came through shortly after. It looked like it was just starting as the handler was getting walked through by two others who seemed to be providing some orientation. I did not see any firearms signage on the parking lot door I entered through (over by Nordstrom, but actual mall entrance and not a store entrance).

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Dog sniffs for gun powder residue? What if I bring in a pocket full of spent brass? Does the officer have a firearm?

Dems have the dog trained to ignore guns on LEO/MIL…

forget about the fact this is completely stupid, What if it is retired LEO or off duty and carrying and not one of the peasant masses?

Glad I don’t shop there… are malls still relevant in today’s society anyways?
 

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So the dog sniffs you and outs you. Then what? They tell you to leave or are they arresting you for trespassing?

Another reason to buy everything online.
It is not illegal to not notice the sign. It is not illegal to be present in the mall while armed

IF they for ANY reason told you to leave and you don't, then they will arrest or refer you to Natick PD for arrest.

If you leave when asked, you aren't getting arrested, probably. Or not legitimately arrested anyway
 
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The first thing to ask if you are approached by one of these handlers is "are you a sworn police officer?". That will enable you to make an intelligent decision about how you interact - for example, it is not a crime to refuse to identify yourself, verbally or via paperwork, when a citizen with no LE authority demands you do so. It is also assault if they intentionally touch you in any way absent your consent, unless it is legitimate self defense. If they detect a firearm, or if you choose to answer in the affirmative if they ask, you are under no obligation to produce your LTC.

And what if you say no? Do they tell you to submit to search or leave?
 
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Does the mutt have x-ray vision? Only in Massachusetts...
The nose knows.

It's also worth noting that the Natick Mall was reportedly the target of a never executed terrorist plan. The news simply reported that it was a mall in the greater Boston area so as not to butthurt mall advertisers, and to fulfill their role curating what the media determines the public is allowed to know.
 
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Is this dog really going to be able to smell a pistol in a IWB holster as you walk by it ?
Just another reason I haven’t been in a mall in 15 years and probably never will be in one again.
 
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Don’t carry when you go there but just before you go rub some gun powder residue and gun oil on your clothes.

Keep the dogs falsely alerting to people without firearms. Make the K9 patrols ineffective.

“Do you have a firearm on you sir?”
“No I do not. Why do you ask?”
 
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Was in the Natick Mall the other day and saw an electronic sign indicating an active, regular K9 patrol for firearms and sure enough the dog and handler came through shortly after. It looked like it was just starting as the handler was getting walked through by two others who seemed to be providing some orientation. I did not see any firearms signage on the parking lot door I entered through (over by Nordstrom, but actual mall entrance and not a store entrance).

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Tonight on security theater…..
 

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LOL. reading about Natick mall on FB....as of April 2021, they had an airsoft shooting range in the mall !!!

 
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Suggested plan if approached:
  • First ask "Are you sworn LE?". If so, request they show your their police ID card. If they are non-police, continue as follows...
  • Say "Nice dog" or "Good boy".
  • Ask what their preferred pronouns are.
  • Turn on your cell phone to record the interaction. Notify the other party you are doing so. Do not obey any order (that they have no authority to give) to turn it off. Remember, MA law requires "non-surreptitious", not "two party consent" for audio recording (and not even that to record police thanks to the first circuit)
  • If they ask tell them "I will not discuss my security procedures with you" or consider "no" if that's the case
  • Do not give them your name. Politely inform them that as private citizens, you are under no obligation to identify yourself to them, and they do not have police authority.
  • If they imply you cannot leave, ask if you are free to leave. If they say "no", ask "what crime are you accusing me of?"
  • If they tell you to leave and escort you out, do not let them touch you. If they do, inform that you do not consent to being touched and their actions meet the Massachusetts General Law definition of assault. Do not disobey an order to leave the premises - that is one of the very few items where they actually have real authority.
  • Do not consent to any pat frisk or search. If they are not police, that is "assault", not "police work".
  • When you leave, walk away from Mall property (perhaps to the Cloverleaf or Sherwood mall) and call an Uber. Come back many hours later for your car wearing different clothes and a hat - they will try to follow you in person or on camera to get your plate and identify you. You do not want to be on a list or reported to your licensing authority for suitability review - especially since the report may not be an accurate description of what happened.
  • Above all be polite, do not raise your voice, use the preferred pronoun of the person(s) you are interacting with, and be sure your body language conveys a calm, non violent demeanor. They key is to do absolutely nothing to violate the law or convey any threat in the interaction.
I think there is a independent (not-LE) company trying to sell this service to shopping malls all over the country. Google has news reports of malls elsewhere in the US doing the doggie thing.
 
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