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Not all drinkers drive ( so no drunk driving ) , but can become drunk, yet still have a licenseWell that's kind of like someone stoned driving. It's illegal and I, personally, think you're a dick if you do it, because you're endangering others regardless of how well you think you can handle yourself. However, stoned driving, in most people, is certainly safer than drunk driving.
Absolutely agree, but the idea that someone lose their guns because they have legal access to marijuana, just like we all have legal access to alcohol, is ludicrous. snip
And there lies the conflict. Alcohol is legal at the federal level. Weed is not. The ATF is saying that based on federal law, they consider state sanctioned use of a federally controlled substance a firearms prohibitor.
Isn't disclosing someones medical history a flagrant HIPA violation? All narcotics are controlled substances. Why is our government deciding that it's OK for persons who have firearms and a scrip for Valium, Percosett, Oxycodone and the like but not Marijuana. It will be interesting to see how this pans out. First they come for the pot smokers then anyone with a scrip for a drug they don't like. It looks like our government will take any opportunity they can to deny citizens 2A rights.
Nobody in gov't gives a rats ass about HIPPA violations done by gov't (as opposed to done by civilians)! I've heard of demands for medical records in order to get a gun permit before (can't recall if it was in MA or elsewhere).
True, but what's the worst thing a gun owner high on pot is going to do? Build a new gun rack/bong? i dunno. I can't see taking away someone's fundamental rights because they smoke.
I'm pretty sure there's nothing about pot that stops tumors from coming back. It's used because it makes people feel better when they're going through chemo or other cancer treatments. If it prevented cancer, we'd all be smoking it.
Playing Devil's Advocate-
And there lies the conflict. Alcohol is legal at the federal level. Weed is not. The ATF is saying that based on federal law, they consider state sanctioned use of a federally controlled substance a firearms prohibitor.
Regardless of whether Marijuana should be legal, as long as state and federal law are in conflict this is the kind of stupidity that results. I think that it will take a SCOTUS case of this nature to bring it to a head and start the legalization discussion.
Regardless of whether weed cures cancer or not... why does the consumption of one thing make gun ownership illegitimate? I see this as .gov taking more power and it concerns me even though there are "more important" infringements on our 2A right now! we should be for more people in ownership of firearms, not ignoring one injustice because in all likelyhood you don't happen to smoke pot.
I think it is absolutely ludicrous that a police officer judge or legislator can tell a person "pot = no gun" and then go home to his guns and sit down in his favorite chair and enjoy 2 or 3 or 5 jack and cokes!
Unlike regular prescribed drugs there are two problems with marijuana. First no matter what the states may say the federal government says it is illegal. Second what most do not understand is that unlike regular prescribed drugs that are prescribed in both a dose and strength marijuana is just sold when the person gets the card. There is no dose given and every strain has a different "drug" ( THC ) amount in it. So getting a marijuana card is the same as giving a prescription for say Oxycontin to a person and telling the patient to pick how many mg they want and take it however often they wish. That would never fly right? But in the "medical marijuana" game that is exactly how it is done. The whole thing is a joke at best.
Unlike regular prescribed drugs there are two problems with marijuana. First no matter what the states may say the federal government says it is illegal. Second what most do not understand is that unlike regular prescribed drugs that are prescribed in both a dose and strength marijuana is just sold when the person gets the card. There is no dose given and every strain has a different "drug" ( THC ) amount in it. So getting a marijuana card is the same as giving a prescription for say Oxycontin to a person and telling the patient to pick how many mg they want and take it however often they wish. That would never fly right? But in the "medical marijuana" game that is exactly how it is done. The whole thing is a joke at best.
Unlike regular prescribed drugs there are two problems with marijuana. First no matter what the states may say the federal government says it is illegal. Second what most do not understand is that unlike regular prescribed drugs that are prescribed in both a dose and strength marijuana is just sold when the person gets the card. There is no dose given and every strain has a different "drug" ( THC ) amount in it. So getting a marijuana card is the same as giving a prescription for say Oxycontin to a person and telling the patient to pick how many mg they want and take it however often they wish. That would never fly right? But in the "medical marijuana" game that is exactly how it is done. The whole thing is a joke at best.
According to the Feds, there is no "legal" use - even medicinal... So, that argument doesn't really work. It is where it is on the DEA "schedule."Yeah, but unlike Oxycontin, or even non-controlled substances like alcohol, a person won't directly kill themselves by smoking an excess amount of pot. Even though pot is illegal at the federal level, this conversation is about people who are legal users of it for medicinal purposes being denied their second amendment right, even though people who are prescribed much more dangerous drugs (such as oxy, vicodin, percocet, etc - which are also illegal at the federal level and carry steeper penalties for mere possession than marijuana does) do not have this same issue.
There is, however, no more patients are accepted into the program and the feds are waiting for the 4 remaining federally legal users to die off. The feds have declared there is no legit use, and do their best to block any research, as they consider the issue "settled" and do not want any conflicting evidence. The politics are somewhat similar to climate change .According to the Feds, there is no "legal" use - even medicinal.
So getting a marijuana card is the same as giving a prescription for say Oxycontin to a person and telling the patient to pick how many mg they want and take it however often they wish. That would never fly right? But in the "medical marijuana" game that is exactly how it is done. The whole thing is a joke at best.
Unlike regular prescribed drugs there are two problems with marijuana. First no matter what the states may say the federal government says it is illegal. Second what most do not understand is that unlike regular prescribed drugs that are prescribed in both a dose and strength marijuana is just sold when the person gets the card. There is no dose given and every strain has a different "drug" ( THC ) amount in it. So getting a marijuana card is the same as giving a prescription for say Oxycontin to a person and telling the patient to pick how many mg they want and take it however often they wish. That would never fly right? But in the "medical marijuana" game that is exactly how it is done. The whole thing is a joke at best.
This whole 'non-medicinal' is a joke.
In 5000 years no one has died from cannabis. Before 1938 cannabis was legal and available over the counter. Only a government agency seeking power wanted to outlaw 'marijuahana' so that other companies could profit from cotton, oil & plastics. Google 'Harry Anslinger', 'Jack Herer' or look at this link.
Alcohol is deadly. It kills something like 30,000 people a year (at least).
People should be able to ingest whatever they want as long as they don't harm anyone else.
I'm off the soapbox.
David
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I understand marijuana is against federal law but the issuing of a gun permit is handled at the state level, if i remember correctly, so I still believe Oregon should be able to continue issuing permits to own guns
We could solve a lot of this countries issues by legalizing pot IMHO. Grow it domestically, tax it, use the tax money for border control. Take pot out of the Mexican drug cartels offerings and watch that issue go away. Stop all cocaine and heroin from getting into the country using the tax money.
You stop the cross border traffic by allowing domestic production. You remove the criminal element and the high profit margins through legalization and competition.I don't think the answer to stopping drugs from getting across the border is more money. You ever watch Border Wars? The "I didn't know it was there" excuse seems to work pretty well.
Yeah, but unlike Oxycontin, or even non-controlled substances like alcohol, a person won't directly kill themselves by smoking an excess amount of pot. Even though pot is illegal at the federal level, this conversation is about people who are legal users of it for medicinal purposes being denied their second amendment right, even though people who are prescribed much more dangerous drugs (such as oxy, vicodin, percocet, etc - which are also illegal at the federal level and carry steeper penalties for mere possession than marijuana does) do not have this same issue.
You stop the cross border traffic by allowing domestic production. You remove the criminal element and the high profit margins through legalization and competition.
You remove the militarization of foreign/domestic gangs and drug/war lords by removing the economics incentive to do so (and the money from the previously mentioned profit margins to accomplish it).
You'd have thought we would have learned this lesson from prohibition - instead we just shifted the focus of dumb policy over to a different bogeyman...
I've never used illegal drugs, nor do I have any desire to do so even if legalized, but this madness and needs to stop.
Not all drinkers drive ( so no drunk driving ) , but can become drunk, yet still have a license
Not all smokers drive ( so no stoned driving ) , but this law denies smokers licensing (and/or possession)
Not all drinkers drive ( so no drunk driving ) , but can become drunk, yet still have a license
Not all smokers drive ( so no stoned driving ) , but this law denies smokers licensing (and/or possession)
you cant smoke pot and get high, but you can drink alcohol and get drunk (just not to much).
Right....