Medical Marijuana and Guns

[jcetto0351]

That was one of my points there is no such thing as "legal" pot. States law can be stricter then fed but can not lessen it or negate it. Hence pot is Illegal no if's and's or but's. Until the FEDERAL government legalizes it then it remains illegal and the ATF can and has gone into " state legal" pot stores and charges all with federal drug crimes. There are no "legal " users of marijuana only ones the federal government has not yet decided to go after.

As for the dose these are a requirement for all legally prescribed drugs. this is not possible with marijuana unless it is farmed and or mixed to a certain drug content. FYI people have died from to much marijuana. The number one way to do this is by eating the drug in foods something many of the "legal shops" profess as a great way to get the drug as ingesting is in fact the way to get the most out of the the drug in the plant. The problem is that when ingested the effects can take much longer to take effect thus causing the person using it to eat more and more then when it does take effect the person has had a massive overdose. This in fact is not that uncommon is is the number one way people die from marijuana overdoses.

You sir, are ignorant or lying, NOBODY has EVER died from ingesting marijuana alone. Maybe the deaths you are making reference to mixed another substance and perished from that... weed brownies will not kill you

 

[cekim]

THe obvious solution: Grow pot legally but require the tax stamp. Make the tax stamps expensive but freely available. Use the collected tax money to set up the fence with manned machine gun nests along the border. Clearly post warning signs in multiple languages. Shoot at anyone climbing over who is not a minor.

That's how drug regulation began - a very expensive tax stamp....

Back when government still understood that it did not have the authority to ban things, it imposed a tax, but refused to issue the stamp. Then the courts told them that if they required a stamp, they had to issue it per the requirements of the law. The system quickly degraded into what we have today...

As I've said repeatedly, physically trying to secure a border of that size from individual ingress is pretty pointless. You need to "secure" our borders economically by providing nothing to come for in the way of social welfare systems or jobs via employers looking to dodge taxes and labor laws.

Some people will still come, but it will be a manageable trickle...

 

[Maxpower]

THe obvious solution: Grow pot legally but require the tax stamp. Make the tax stamps expensive but freely available. Use the collected tax money to set up the fence with manned machine gun nests along the border. Clearly post warning signs in multiple languages. Shoot at anyone climbing over who is not a minor.

They already built a fence. It was/is an epic fail.

 

[josh2600]

You sir, are ignorant or lying, NOBODY has EVER died from ingesting marijuana alone. Maybe the deaths you are making reference to mixed another substance and perished from that... weed brownies will not kill you

nope, you can end up in a world of hurt (6-8 hour panic attack), but no deaths, sorry.

 

[Maxpower]

nope, you can end up in a world of hurt (6-8 hour panic attack), but no deaths, sorry.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Back when government still understood that it did not have the authority to ban things, it imposed a tax, but refused to issue the stamp

I don't know if there was a pre-86 time when the govt refused to issue NFA stamps, but the $200 tax was indeed an attempt to ban what the govt understood could not ban ($200 would buy a new car back in 1934).

 

[Dench]

FYI people have died from to much marijuana. The number one way to do this is by eating the drug in foods something many of the "legal shops" profess as a great way to get the drug as ingesting is in fact the way to get the most out of the the drug in the plant. The problem is that when ingested the effects can take much longer to take effect thus causing the person using it to eat more and more then when it does take effect the person has had a massive overdose. This in fact is not that uncommon is is the number one way people die from marijuana overdoses.

meanwhile, in real life:

If you want to eat THC till you die:

In summary, enormous doses of Delta 9 THC, All THC and concentrated marihuana extract ingested by mouth were unable to produce death or organ pathology in large mammals but did produce fatalities in smaller rodents due to profound central nervous system depression.

The non-fatal consumption of 3000 mg/kg A THC by the dog and monkey would be comparable to a 154-pound human eating approximately 46 pounds (21 kilograms) of 1%-marihuana or 10 pounds of 5% hashish at one time. In addition, 92 mg/kg THC intravenously produced no fatalities in monkeys. These doses would be comparable to a 154-pound human smoking at one time almost three pounds (1.28 kg) of 1%-marihuana or 250,000 times the usual smoked dose and over a million times the minimal effective dose assuming 50% destruction of the THC by smoking.

Thus, evidence from animal studies and human case reports appears to indicate that the ratio of lethal dose to effective dose is quite large. This ratio is much more favorable than that of many other common psychoactive agents including alcohol and barbiturates (Phillips et al. 1971, Brill et al. 1970).

If you want to smoke THC till you die:

At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around
1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce
death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as
much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied
marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would
theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within
about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.

Please dont flat out lie to people. Thanks.
Two drugs that are essentially impossible to overdose on: Marijuana and LSD.

 

[bostonasphalt2]

This whole 'non-medicinal' is a joke.

In 5000 years no one has died from cannabis. Before 1938 cannabis was legal and available over the counter. Only a government agency seeking power wanted to outlaw 'marijuahana' so that other companies could profit from cotton, oil & plastics. Google 'Harry Anslinger', 'Jack Herer' or look at this link.

Alcohol is deadly. It kills something like 30,000 people a year (at least).

People should be able to ingest whatever they want as long as they don't harm anyone else.

I'm off the soapbox.

David

people kill themselves and each other. An inanimate object, like a drug does not. It is patently wrong to say alcohol kills when in reality, people's habit is what killed them.

 

[Maxpower]

people kill themselves and each other. An inanimate object, like a drug does not. It is patently wrong to say alcohol kills when in reality, people's habit is what killed them.

Marijuana leads to jazz music and raping white women. It should be highly illegal.

 

[Dench]

Marijuana leads to jazz music and raping white women. It should be highly illegal.

thats one of the main reasons why Cocaine and Marijuana are illegal. Racism and backdoor corporate deals. Its has NOTHING to do with "public saftey" which is the reason we as the public are given for its status.

 

[KMaurer]

Marijuana leads to jazz music and raping white women. It should be highly illegal.

Here we come to the other reason for the federal laws against (certain) drugs. The first was Harry Anslinger's envy for the power that Hoover and the FBI got from prohibition. His effort to get similar power was based on racial and ethnic stereotypes. We need to ban/control opium because those nasty "chinks" use it; we need to ban/control marijuana because those shiftless, sex-crazed "wet-backs" and "coloreds" use it. Allowing either to escape federal control would turn the country into a nation of "those people".

Just like gun control, the war on drugs has it's roots in racism.

Ken

 

[Dench]

Here we come to the other reason for the federal laws against (certain) drugs. The first was Harry Anslinger's envy for the power that Hoover and the FBI got from prohibition. His effort to get similar power was based on racial and ethnic stereotypes. We need to ban/control opium because those nasty "chinks" use it; we need to ban/control marijuana because those shiftless, sex-crazed "wet-backs" and "coloreds" use it. Allowing either to escape federal control would turn the country into a nation of "those people".

Just like gun control, the war on drugs has it's roots in racism.

Ken

you had the balls to drop the racist words for the Asians and Latinos but not the blacks eh?

 

[Maxpower]

you had the balls to drop the racist words for the Asians and Latinos but not the blacks eh?

Knee grows?

 

[Maxpower]

Here we come to the other reason for the federal laws against (certain) drugs. The first was Harry Anslinger's envy for the power that Hoover and the FBI got from prohibition. His effort to get similar power was based on racial and ethnic stereotypes. We need to ban/control opium because those nasty "chinks" use it; we need to ban/control marijuana because those shiftless, sex-crazed "wet-backs" and "coloreds" use it. Allowing either to escape federal control would turn the country into a nation of "those people".

Just like gun control, the war on drugs has it's roots in racism.

Ken

That and the media that delivers the message. Hurst had bunch a bunch of trees to print his paper on. He didn't want them to become worthless when people realized you can use the fibers from hemp to make paper. And now big oil, big pharm, big alky are involved. Heck, even the farmers who grow marijuana for "legal" uses are against it becoming legalized. It's all about the benjamins.

 

[MichaelJR]

when it does take effect the person has had a massive overdose. This in fact is not that uncommon is is the number one way people die from marijuana overdoses.

I hope you are either kidding or retarded, because those are the only two viable excuses for such a false statement.

 

[Dave_W]

It is patently wrong to say alcohol kills when in reality, people's habit is what killed them.

Sorry to disagree but if you consume a certain amount in a certain period of time you can die. Alcohol poisoning.

If your stupid enough to do it, it will be fatal.

 

[Maxpower]

Sorry to disagree but if you consume a certain amount in a certain period of time you can die. Alcohol poisoning.

If your stupid enough to do it, it will be fatal.

You can die from drinking too much water too.

 

[pdm]

You can die from too much Internet too. True story, I read it on the internet... Oh no! Hrrrk..@#$%@^^NO CARRIER

 

[Dench]

but but but.... how can Alcohol be so dangerous.... and legal?!?!! AHHHHH!!!

 

[GunGrey]

Wake and bake

 

[bostonasphalt2]

Sorry to disagree but if you consume a certain amount in a certain period of time you can die. Alcohol poisoning.

If your stupid enough to do it, it will be fatal.

jfc, I know t hat. it is the person's decision to do drink that much.

What is it with this place? When it comes to guns everybody is all "blame the person, not the gun"....but for anything else "alcohol kills".. Double standard much? effin a.

 

[william_munny]

I'll admit, I wasn't even considering the fact that federal law trumps state law. That makes this whole prohibition thing even more messed up - there's a thriving "state legal" business in CA that is only still going because the feds have just decided not to act upon it. There's no better time than now to just end the BS war on drugs, starting with marijuana.

As for "pot overdoses"...

 

[GunGrey]

Burn Blunts

 

[Chrisg67]

FYI people have died from to much marijuana. .

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[travis]

While I agree the likelihood of a death form just marijuana alone are slim to none. The fact remains that if the marijuana had not been in the equation the death would not have occurred. It also remains a fact that marijuana is illegal in every state due to federal law no matter what state law may wish make it so. Marijuana is a drug that slows down reaction times among other effects (and to be technically correct for those who wish to nit pick facts) causes death to both the user and innocent bystanders via many routes.

 

[In God We Trust]

While I agree the likelihood of a death form just marijuana alone are slim to none. The fact remains that if the marijuana had not been in the equation the death would not have occurred. It also remains a fact that marijuana is illegal in every state due to federal law no matter what state law may wish make it so. Marijuana is a drug that slows down reaction times among other effects (and to be technically correct for those who wish to nit pick facts) causes death to both the user and innocent bystanders via many routes.

Are you a cop by any chance? The only people I have ever heard make such accusations about pot have all been cops.

 

[Chrisg67]

While I agree the likelihood of a death form just marijuana alone are slim to none. The fact remains that if the marijuana had not been in the equation the death would not have occurred. It also remains a fact that marijuana is illegal in every state due to federal law no matter what state law may wish make it so. Marijuana is a drug that slows down reaction times among other effects (and to be technically correct for those who wish to nit pick facts) causes death to both the user and innocent bystanders via many routes.

you sound like someone talking about guns that has never shot or held or even seen one before. get off your silly soapbox, you sound like an a**h***.

 

[atilla]

reefer madness.

 

[Dench]

While I agree the likelihood of a death form just marijuana alone are slim to none. The fact remains that if the marijuana had not been in the equation the death would not have occurred. It also remains a fact that marijuana is illegal in every state due to federal law no matter what state law may wish make it so. Marijuana is a drug that slows down reaction times among other effects (and to be technically correct for those who wish to nit pick facts) causes death to both the user and innocent bystanders via many routes.

Um, Alcohol is significantly more dangerous than Marijuana is.

It's ok to admit you're wrong.

 

[Ham Slam]

Sounds like coptalk to me. Or he is 85 years old. One or the other.