Gun lubes

[bill o]

Froglube truthers are worse than glock truthers, probably only surpassed by HK homos

Yup, and it's REALLY bad to get ranked below Glock shooters.

 

[rkwjunior]

Ar 15 I did the whole heat and apply bull shit . Wiped part down after went to range no problem . Got home , cleaned my gun . Used the non paste type . Wiped parts off.
Went to car shoot had 5-8 failures on the line.
Went to my table and you could tell the firing pin was sticking . Sprayed it all with wd40 and wiped clean . Ran the rest of the shoot fine after burning off the wd40. Ask Atillia , Loki and one else at that shoot .
This is a piston build that never gave me problems before or after . Only when it was cold and had frog lube.

My 1911 and xds sane deal spray some on wipe off with rag . Let the gigs sit for some time. 1911 was below zero wouldn't function till I warmed it up.
Took a break to warm my hands up and cleaned and lubed with clp . Went back out side no problem .


Xds failure to full close . Fall weather hadn't shoot the gun in two months. Cleaned and lubed with some thing else problems went away.


I use frog lube for cutting / tapping oil at this point to use it up. When it's fresh it's good. But when it gets cold or old it sticks.

I don't understand what is gumming up, my bolt, carrier, firing pin etc etc are dry even when hot, so there is no excess frog lube that could freeze and gum up, it never has. I'm puzzled ?. Ive also discovered that you don't need any frog lube to clean the gun after use, the dirt wipes right off.

 

[Supermoto]

It's simple... tests don't lie, it works..... when applied correctly. Mobile 1 belongs in a car not a gun, and apparently most of the "gun Lube" products don't belong in a gun either.

first thing is test do lie, I would put a lot more faith in real world examples, then one test by some guy, especially when froglube is known for starting bushit threads. Second, never heard of anyone having issues with mobil 1, can't say the same about track lube.

 

[warwickben]

I don't understand what is gumming up, my bolt, carrier, firing pin etc etc are dry even when hot, so there is no excess frog lube that could freeze and gum up, it never has. I'm puzzled ?. Ive also discovered that you don't need any frog lube to clean the gun after use, the dirt wipes right off.

Some times the bolt was sticking others time the firing pin was sticking on the ar. This is a piston build so it doesn't shit where it eats like a di ar dose.

Why do I relube it ? After not the finish on matting surfaces started to wear off and the gun not function right . So I would just wipe it down .
The guns would run fine if it was warm and wet with frog lube....
Frog lube , wiped off /fresh and gun warm no problems.

Other lubes are like this if they sit or cold them thicken up.

Next time it snows toss your gun in a snow bank for 5-10 mins and and tell me how it works .

 

[rkwjunior]

So your saying the pictures are fake??
It was an unbiased test with all the lubes available, nothing specific was said about a "frog Lube test". Not saying Mobile 1 is awful, but according to this test synthetic oil didn't fair to well and has no business being in my guns when other lubes test 10x better. Even if you don't like Frog lube, WD40 specialist and the Hornady oil are not far behind.

HAHA, the amount of denial is nauseating, i'm not surprised though.

 

[rkwjunior]

Some times the bolt was sticking others time the firing pin was sticking on the ar. This is a piston build so it doesn't shit where it eats like a di ar dose.

Why do I relube it ? After not the finish on matting surfaces started to wear off and the gun not function right . So I would just wipe it down .
The guns would run fine if it was warm and wet with frog lube....
Frog lube , wiped off /fresh and gun warm no problems.

Other lubes are like this if they sit or cold them thicken up.

Next time it snows toss your gun in a snow bank for 5-10 mins and and tell me how it works .

My guns are Piston rifles (LWRC) that ive shot in weather were i had to warm my hands over the fire pit after one magazine. After i shoot a bit my carrier and bolt are not wet, they are still dry, so no excess to freeze or gum up, nor do i add any wet frog lube before, after, or during shooting. The coating is invisible and dry almost like adding another layer of Nickel Boron, which my carriers are coated with.

Now that i think of it, my bolt carriers don't really get that hot since it's a piston, mabe thats why i have no gumming issues, but i do use it in my Glocks with no issues.

 

[M1911]

So your saying the pictures are fake??
It was an unbiased test with all the lubes available, nothing specific was said about a "frog Lube test".

How do you know it was an unbiased test? Were you there? Do you know the low-count person who posted the "test?"

 

[thormx538]

Neat, but that doesn't really mean a whole lot for how well those lubricants work when being used in a gun.

Mobil 1 has worked perfectly for me for years as a gun lube, that test isn't going to change my mind about it either.

 

[warwickben]

My guns are Piston rifles (LWRC) that ive shot in weather were i had to warm my hands over the fire pit after one magazine. After i shoot a bit my carrier and bolt are not wet, they are still dry, so no excess to freeze or gum up, nor do i add any wet frog lube before, after, or during shooting. The coating is invisible and dry almost like adding another layer of Nickel Boron, which my carriers are coated with.

So your using lube on parts that are claimed not to need lube?
You heated them . Then never used frog line again ?


Those pictures are static tests.
If he did that then test with guns it be a better experiment .

A lot of the coatings on guns heating the part with a hair dryer or oven wouldn't get the part hot enough to "open its pours"


Spray a sheet of metal with a bunch of wd40 and let it sit for a few weeks. It will be sticky .

 

[M1911]

HAHA, the amount of denial is nauseating, i'm not surprised though.

The amount of social media marketing for Frog Lube, and the gullibility of so many people, is what is nauseating. I'm not surprised, though.

Speaking of Frog Lube marketing, here are examples of the crap that come out of this company:

Frog Lube was founded by CAPT Larry Lasky, US Navy SEAL (ret), who spent the past 32 years in service to the United States Special Operations Command, Naval Special Warfare and to the U.S. soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines whose gallant performance he attributes to every success on any mission and on any battlefield he has served. After a career of uncounted operations in every environment from jungle, to arctic, to maritime and desert, he’s seen the impact of these extremes on weapons and equipment. He felt the best equipment, products and weapons always came from combining the most arduous conditions and the solutions created by the world’s best field “operators”. He’s taken this ethos into product development with FrogLube, a new technology lubricant...

So, this SEAL guy developed Frog Lube. Or did he?

"FROGLUBE® may be more revolutionary than new, because it has been around since the mid 1800’s and possibly longer! FROGLUBE® was discovered in a rural Pennsylvania barn six years ago by a group of mechanics and engineers who wanted to shoot a cannon. These men loved to shoot muzzle loaded black powder rifles in competition. At one event, they witnessed the firing of an old cannon. Intrigued, they went on the hunt for a cannon of their own to shoot.
A farmer they met told them he had a cannon in his barn that had been in his family since the 1860’s. if they could get it to work, they could use it. Upon inspection of the cannon, they discovered a mass of goo inside the smoothbore barrel. After removing the goo, they discovered the barrel was free of rust and pitting.
They questioned the farmer about how often he cleaned the barrel and he replied that his cannon had been sitting here since the end of the Civil War and to the best of his knowledge, had never been cleaned.
The men decided to send a sample of the goo to a chemist in order to discover what it was, and eventually, how to make more. They used some of it at work, discovering that the goo reduced wear between metal parts and acted as a lubricant long after it was wiped off. It also adds life to urethane wheels, rubber “O” rings, plastic, nylon and other durable surfaces. It can also be welded through, unlike oil.
Thus was created FROGLUBE®..."

So, the story changed. The SEAL guy didn't develop it. It was "rediscovered."

Or was it? Nope, it wasn't. Frog Lube is a roller coaster track grease that has been repackaged and heavily marketed as "tacticool":

http://www.tracklubeplus.com/

If you've been in the gun world for a while, you've see this movie before. Someone starts pushing the latest and greatest wonder lubricant, developed by some "tier-1 operator" in wrap-around glasses and a tactical beard. But just a little digging shows that this snake oil scheme has the same recipe as the last one:

1) Buy 55 gallon drum of industrial lubricant for almost nothing.
2) Stuff into 1 oz bottles.
3) Mix in tier-1 operator type.
4) Add lots of social media marketing.
5) Markup the product 100 time cost.
6) Profit!!!

If you like it, buy Track Lube Plus. It is the same stuff, but cheaper, and you won't be supporting that crap.

Personally, I use whatever synthetic motor oil I have lying around. I think it is Pennzoil at the moment. It is dirt cheap. I don't have any problem with my guns rusting so even if Brand Y is 10 times better, what I'm using already is good enough, so what is the point? I also don't have any problem with my guns not running or having accelerated wear.

Good enough + cheap works for me. If you need to pay extra money because some anonymous low-post count guy an a forum posted something which says that Frog Lube is 10x better, it's your money.

 

[rkwjunior]

The amount of social media marketing for Frog Lube, and the gullibility of so many people, is what is nauseating. I'm not surprised, though.

Speaking of Frog Lube marketing, here are examples of the crap that come out of this company:



So, this SEAL guy developed Frog Lube. Or did he?



So, the story changed. The SEAL guy didn't develop it. It was "rediscovered."

Or was it? Nope, it wasn't. Frog Lube is a roller coaster track grease that has been repackaged and heavily marketed as "tacticool":

http://www.tracklubeplus.com/

If you've been in the gun world for a while, you've see this movie before. Someone starts pushing the latest and greatest wonder lubricant, developed by some "tier-1 operator" in wrap-around glasses and a tactical beard. But just a little digging shows that this snake oil scheme has the same recipe as the last one:

1) Buy 55 gallon drum of industrial lubricant for almost nothing.
2) Stuff into 1 oz bottles.
3) Mix in tier-1 operator type.
4) Add lots of social media marketing.
5) Markup the product 100 time cost.
6) Profit!!!

If you like it, buy Track Lube Plus. It is the same stuff, but cheaper, and you won't be supporting that crap.

Personally, I use whatever synthetic motor oil I have lying around. I think it is Pennzoil at the moment. It is dirt cheap. I don't have any problem with my guns rusting so even if Brand Y is 10 times better, what I'm using already is good enough, so what is the point? I also don't have any problem with my guns not running or having accelerated wear.

Good enough + cheap works for me. If you need to pay extra money because some anonymous low-post count guy an a forum posted something which says that Frog Lube is 10x better, it's your money.

Frog Lube wasn't the only winner in this test, Hornady and WD-40 specialist did just as good, so if i wanted i could switch to either one of the 2 and probably be happy. Unfortunately Frog lube always is the most debated lube in any test that a DIY'er does because there are so many skeptics, the name and the color i think make people steer clear cause it screams Gimmick, so it's naturally the first product to be accused of being falsely marketed.
This test basically proves that 90% of the gun lubes and solvents, oils etc etc aren't what they say they are or do as well as people think, but it also proves that the Frog lube Nay sayers are wrong, this was not an exclusive "frog lube" test it just proves that Frog lube WORKS along with a couple other brands, and most of the the others are junk, thats it. Everyone here will forever say that it's just another Frog lube Circle jerk test, but if Mobile 1 synthetic won the test their wouldn't be any question of an unbiased test, it would totally "legit" right??

It's very possible that the origin of frog lube is highly debated due to it's success and 2 separate parties wanting to take credit for it. Either way, this test shows it excels side by side with some of the biggest names in gun lube, it's works for me so i have no need to change nor should i. And as far as price goes, that doesn't matter either, so little of it is needed that the 8oz bottle and 8oz container i have should last until Han Solo's Blaster is my next side arm.

 

[M1911]

Frog Lube wasn't the only winner in this test, Hornady and WD-40 specialist did just as good, so if i wanted i could switch to either one of the 2 and probably be happy. Unfortunately Frog lube always is the most debated lube in any test that a DIY'er does because there are so many skeptics, the name and the color i think make people steer clear cause it screams Gimmick, so it's naturally the first product to be accused of being falsely marketed.

It's not the first product to be accused of false marketing precisely because it is not the first product to be falsely marketed. But the Frog Lube marketing is BS. It wasn't developed by a SEAL. It wasn't found in a Civil War cannon. It is an industrial lubricant used to lubricate the tracks of roller coasters.

Frog Lube isn't the first gun lubricant to be marketing this way. I've been around the roller coaster track enough times to have seen this show before. This is just the most recent version, and these guys are heavily using social media plants to push their product.

Everyone here will forever say that it's just another Frog lube Circle jerk test, but if Mobile 1 synthetic won the test their wouldn't be any question of an unbiased test, it would totally "legit" right??

If some low post count schmuck posted his test that claimed Mobil One was the winner, I'd point out that it was done by a low post count schmuck who has little credibility.

 

[DrBurnsides]

It's funny, I love the gunzilla stuff for EDC and normal use.. but it was NOT rated highly.. Then again, I don't use it for long term storage in a moist environment. That's a job for a thin grease.. One shot, and frog lube are more solublized/emulsified greases/waxes.

 

[warwickben]

It's funny, I love the gunzilla stuff for EDC and normal use.. but it was NOT rated highly.. Then again, I don't use it for long term storage in a moist environment. That's a job for a thin grease.. One shot, and frog lube are more solublized/emulsified greases/waxes.

I wouldn't worry about . They dated wd40 kinda high and I wouldn't use that on a gun unless I had nothing else and I'd be spraying it every mag change.

The "test" left out heat and other things that you'd see using a gun .

 

[DrBurnsides]

I wouldn't worry about . They dated wd40 kinda high and I wouldn't use that on a gun unless I had nothing else and I'd be spraying it every mag change.

The "test" left out heat and other things that you'd see using a gun .

Thank you.. I originally use froglube, but I think I used a wee bit too much and during a cold day, I had problems cycling my Sig P220.. The 220 is rather tight, and has A LOT of rail to slide contact. So a little resistance goes a long way. For an EDC piece, kept someplace warm.. I am not sure that would be a problem. Still, I prefer the Gunzilla for the 3 in one.

The hornady one shot, is a grease in a hexane base.. Lets you get a very thin layer down. There was this XF-7 grease that was the same thing, save for being in an ethanol emulsion.

There is certainly a use component to this test that is not addressed. Long term storage and certain older firearms(that I am sure many NES'ers know better than I), probably want grease on certain parts.. Other firearms probably like thin oils on certain parts..

We all have a bazillion different versions of these in our kits that have worked or failed in one situation or another.

 

[rkwjunior]

If some low post count schmuck posted his test that claimed Mobil One was the winner, I'd point out that it was done by a low post count schmuck who has little credibility.

I'm not going to assume it's biased or an unbiased test due to post count, there are way to many variables in another persons life to assume he's BS, some people aren't high posters, but some are.

Again, picking apart little things to suggest it's a BS test is all part of denialist traits.

As far as i see it, if he had 30,000 posts people would still call BS, this is what happens when u refuse to believe something.

 

[ColdDayInHell]

I'm not going to assume it's biased or an unbiased test due to post count, there are way to many variables in another persons life to assume he's BS, some people aren't high posters, but some are.

Again, picking apart little things to suggest it's a BS test is all part of denialist traits.

As far as i see it, if he had 30,000 posts people would still call BS, this is what happens when u refuse to believe something.

Well maybe LWRC has a fetish for Track Lube then, because it has caused me and my shooting buddies nothing but problems.

So your using lube on parts that are claimed not to need lube?
You heated them . Then never used frog line again ?


Those pictures are static tests.
If he did that then test with guns it be a better experiment .

A lot of the coatings on guns heating the part with a hair dryer or oven wouldn't get the part hot enough to "open its pours"


Spray a sheet of metal with a bunch of wd40 and let it sit for a few weeks. It will be sticky .

Especially in the cold. Although it will get a locked door unfrozen pretty quickly. Maybe we should slather our locks with Track Lube so it'll be operable in below freezing temps. You know, because it is the best.

 

[xero2099]

 

[rkwjunior]

Well maybe LWRC has a fetish for Track Lube then, because it has caused me and my shooting buddies nothing but problems.

Of course it has.

Let me guess, your a big tough Mobil 1 type of guy, and you put it in your cereal every morning.

 

[Beansie]

Had enough people tell me froglube was pretty good stuff, plus with little kid running around it seemed like a good choice. (More I read on the internets, more I feel like I got sold on a 100% markup, but live and learn.)

I just bring a rag and a small tube of lithium grease with me in the bag incase I run into the aforementioned issues now that it is getting colder.

 

[ChevyGuy91]

Lube threads, always good for the lulz.

1) Buy 55 gallon drum of industrial lubricant for almost nothing.
2) Stuff into 1 oz bottles.
3) Mix in tier-1 operator type.
4) Add lots of social media marketing.
5) Markup the product 100 time cost.
6) Profit!!!

I think I am going to pick up some synthetic motor oil and rebrand it Cobra Lube (trade marked) and get Chris Costa to hold it in his ROCK TAPEd hand, post that picture all over the internets and see how many people I can get to buy my flavor of snake oil.

 

[warwickben]

Of course it has.

Let me guess, your a big tough Mobil 1 type of guy, and you put it in your cereal every morning.

He just uses what ever he steals from me .


I just use way lube. I got a gallon for free .

Good enough for 10rpm good enough for my guns .

 

[ColdDayInHell]

Of course it has.

Let me guess, your a big tough Mobil 1 type of guy, and you put it in your cereal every morning.

CLP break free. Or Ballistol.

 

[SJan]

I had to use oil from my car's dipstick this weekend.

Volvo wagon at Hopkinton rifle range ?

 

[EddieCoyle]

I think I am going to pick up some synthetic motor oil and rebrand it Cobra Lube (trade marked) and get Chris Costa to hold it in his ROCK TAPEd hand, post that picture all over the internets and see how many people I can get to buy my flavor of snake oil.

You'll make a fortune and end up with a bunch of whiny fanbois defending your product.

If it allows guns to run in the cold, it'll be better than Frog Lube.

If Frog Lube was any good, the people that sell it wouldn't have to make ridiculous untrue claims, and use deceptive marketing practices in order to sell it.

If Frog Lube was the last remaining lube on the planet, before I'd use it I'd put my daughter's head through a window just to get a jagged piece of broken glass that I could use to cut my own neck deep enough to dribble a few drops of spinal fluid onto my slide rails to get my gun to shoot.

 

[ColdDayInHell]

You'll make a fortune and end up with a bunch of whiny fanbois defending your product.

If it allows guns to run in the cold, it'll be better than Frog Lube.

If Frog Lube was any good, the people that sell it wouldn't have to make ridiculous untrue claims, and use deceptive marketing practices in order to sell it.

If Frog Lube was the last remaining lube on the planet, before I'd use it I'd put my daughter's head through a window just to get a jagged piece of broken glass that I could use to cut my own neck deep enough to dribble a few drops of spinal fluid onto my slide rails to get my gun to shoot.

[video=youtube_share;ufWV60QfCTw]http://youtu.be/ufWV60QfCTw[/video]

 

[warwickben]

Omg that's funny

 

[rkwjunior]

You'll make a fortune and end up with a bunch of whiny fanbois defending your product.

If it allows guns to run in the cold, it'll be better than Frog Lube.

If Frog Lube was any good, the people that sell it wouldn't have to make ridiculous untrue claims, and use deceptive marketing practices in order to sell it.

If Frog Lube was the last remaining lube on the planet, before I'd use it I'd put my daughter's head through a window just to get a jagged piece of broken glass that I could use to cut my own neck deep enough to dribble a few drops of spinal fluid onto my slide rails to get my gun to shoot.

God forbid we try something new to the market that works, it's no wonder the gun world is still 100 years old. Every ones to scared to take a chance on something proven to be better.

Remind me not to buy anyone's rusty safe queens from the classifieds.

I think i'll change the color of frog lube to Mobile 1 and pour it into a container, it would be an even bigger hit.

 

[EddieCoyle]

Remind me not to buy anyone's rusty safe queens from the classifieds.

What the **** does this have to do with lube?

Your posts in this thread range from refreshingly simple to profoundly naive. Why have you dug in your heels to defend this company?

Let me tell you something about the Frog Lube people. They came on to this forum, created a couple of sock-puppet accounts, and began to start threads pumping up the product (and each other's rep points) and making untrue claims.

When they were called out on it (not by me or anyone in this thread), they removed their posts, denied making them, and then lied to me about who they were.

I'm a mod. I can see what they posted, what they removed, and when they removed it. I can see where they are logging in from, and with a small amount of research was able to find out who they were, where they worked, and what screen names they were using on other fora.

I shared this information with them (again, as a disinterested party), and encouraged them to get a dealer account and go above board like all the honest people. They refused, and denied what I found. They also stopped coming here. F-ing liars.

Why do you want to do business with people like this?

 

[RHJJ]

What the **** does this have to do with lube?

Your posts in this thread range from refreshingly simple to profoundly naive. Why have you dug in your heels to defend this company?

Let me tell you something about the Frog Lube people. They came on to this forum, created a couple of sock-puppet accounts, and began to start threads pumping up the product (and each other's rep points) and making untrue claims.

When they were called out on it (not by me or anyone in this thread), they removed their posts, denied making them, and then lied to me about who they were.

I'm a mod. I can see what they posted, what they removed, and when they removed it. I can see where they are logging in from, and with a small amount of research was able to find out who they were, where they worked, and what screen names they were using on other fora.

I shared this information with them (again, as a disinterested party), and encouraged them to get a dealer account and go above board like all the honest people. They refused, and denied what I found. They also stopped coming here. F-ing liars.

Why do you want to do business with people like this?

Can't argue with that.