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Anyone Know anything about Ayer, MA? I'm moving there in the next couple weeks.
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The Ayer PD has the Village Vault on speed dial. Jack.Anyone Know anything about Ayer, MA? I'm moving there in the next couple weeks.
The Ayer PD has the Village Vault on speed dial. Jack.
I "saved" some guns from going there for a friend, but that was over a year ago. Jack.Well, its gotta be someone else now if Dowd isnt running a BW. Probably New England Ballistics or one of those people.
BS indeed. Is this for renewals or only 1st time?I have a renewal coming up. Fall River has changed their policy on renewals which only required you bring your body and a check they did the rest. Now they require your Safety Certificate, 2 references, and two letters of recommendation. Change the chief change the law. BS which is only going to get worse.
well it is for first issue and renewals both. Thanks I might just need it.
You know how to reach me and I'd be glad to do it for you.well it is for first issue and renewals both. Thanks I might just need it.
totally agree and the policy with the prior COP was bring in your DL and a check. 8 years ago the sitting COP required the application, two letters of recommendation, safety certificate and membership in a rod and gun clubAny town that requires more than Filled out app, LTC, DL, and a check for a renewal is f***ing retarded.
I would report this to Comm2A, yeah sure, go ahead, go through the motions and you gotta, but someone eventually needs to get pissed off enough to
stop that shit. There are a lot of pure shit towns that wont even do that once you've been issued an LTC at least once.
I'm not sure what this means. Does this mean they are not friendly to LTC carriers?The Ayer PD has the Village Vault on speed dial. Jack.
Agree, put down the license officer and first chief as references.Any town that requires more than Filled out app, LTC, DL, and a check for a renewal is f***ing retarded.
I would report this to Comm2A, yeah sure, go ahead, go through the motions and you gotta, but someone eventually needs to get pissed off enough to
stop that shit. There are a lot of pure shit towns that wont even do that once you've been issued an LTC at least once.
Because the CoP says so and it's easier to comply than challenging the unlawful requirements in court.Why do you need a safety certificate for a renewal??
Because douche town, and douche cleo is flexing.... this is a common douche town tactic to cut licensing numbers. Either because the cleo is anti or doesn’t like the massive waste of time/resources gun licensing is.Why do you need a safety certificate for a renewal??
Not necessarily. I've had a LTC since the mid-1970s and never took a course to get one. Subsequently, I've taken courses and become an instructor, however MGL passed in 1998 requiring a BFS course grandfathered those licensed on July 1, 1998 from that requirement.That unbelievably stupid. If you already have a license, clearly you've already taken the safety course! I don't even know if I still have my certificate but I suppose I could write myself one (if my instructor creds haven't expired yet). So, so dumb.
No they don't per MGL.I think the safety certs expire. You'd have to retake the course to get a new one?
Even before CV hit, my MA town was very slow at processing/issuing LTCs. If I hadn't intended to move out of state, I would have had a sit-down with my chief and offered to help in any way as a volunteer. I'm on very good terms with the leadership in my former department.FWIW and only my opinion but in the case of Fall River the police department is short handed and has been. Sometimes as many as three dozen officers short. They have limited resources for lots of things and since there is no down side to slow or no issue of LTC/FID it is an area that gets to take up slack. The website even spells out it will be a long process. They typically take 6 months plus to issue. they only issue unrestricted. The last two years they have been swamped with applications. Buried is more accurate. They are trying to lower the numbers and the law allows this tactic. If the city would hire more officers there are a lot of LEO services which would benefit. That would require raising taxes and spending what they have more effectively. This is Fall River. The police slogan is "We'll Try" and the city has taken the moniker "The Scholarship City". There are sadder places in Ma. but not many. ON the plus side they fill out the MIRCS online in front of you and give you a copy so you can carry until the renewal issued.
The chief and deputy interview every applicant, even for renewals. The chief's secretary types the info into MIRCS. But they have to watch for reports back from FRB, DMH, MSP as part of the process and respond to some of them. That and the tiny window of time for interviews are the holdups in my MA town.Len, that is a great idea. Not sure a lot of licensing officers would want to relinquish any of their power though. I suppose it's worth a try.
I don't know the answer, but here's a few observations from the other side of the desk.What do you think the actual amount of labor minutes/hours go into a average license ? (local police portion)
Of course I have never done the actual process of course so I may be wrong
Application dropped off, place in bin<1min
Look at application <1min
Type name in computer check driving record/criminal record <1min
Call person for "interview" <1min
Have person come to station for prints and "interview" 5 mins
Type application into computer to state 5 mins
Get envelope from state and mail to person <5 mins
Maybe 20 minutes total.
Say the licensing person works 400 minutes a day
20 applications a day x five days= 100 a week.
400 a month
4800 a year is possible ideally
Highest active LTC in a town outside Boston is 5,974 divided by 6 years = 995 a year
331 man hours to do 995.
7 hours of work a week to process the number two town in MA
What "foot work". I work on these systems, it's all computerized. They input the info and the computer kicks back answers. No one is looking through files or even talking to anyone. And the state does the statutory approve/deny the only decision the locals make is on suitability, and they don't need hours to do that.I was at the PD in the office while a detective entered the data into mircs, took my fingerprints in that office, interviewed me in that office. Fall River does two days a week 8am to noon on a first come first serve basis. They are polite respectful and seem to be neutral to pro 2a. I was there for near 45 minutes but we hit it off and chatted a bit. I would say most first timers probably can expect to be there for 30 minutes. Yes hunt and peck is a time honored leo skill and employed here. Consider this the state mandates the locals do this task and gives them no assistance or much support. As I understand it the fee doesn't even go to cover the expense. From what little I know about the process it would seem to me that 4 hours of foot work after the MIRCS entry would be a reasonable average. That is two licenses a per working day for one officer. Fall River doesn't have that much manpower sitting around drinking coffee and eating donuts. That would be 250 LTc a year for a single officer.
Barring constitutional carry, the state should be doing all the LTC licensing on a shall issue basis once they can clear a criminal history background. No discretion if the applicant is clean the license issues. The cost should reflect the cost of administration and the renewal should be automatically run. Clean record issue license. OF course that is never going to happen here.
The federal background should be all that is needed for purchase and possession. Personally I don't believe that should be required. Prohibited persons found in possession should simply be convicted and locked up.