FMJ or HP for coyotes?

[Hoover]

Make sure you tell the responding cop the coyote was going after YOU and YOU were in fear of your life or great bodily harm. You can’t shoot to protect your dog in MA Get pepper spray, it will be more effective and won’t get you a conversation with a cop or ADA.

 

[mac1911]

+1, I've shot a lot of yotes, they can take some damage if you dont hit them right.

Yes, vitals are small
My dad would take shots at coyote , if one showed itself while hunting . Front shot goes just above the space between the legs/between the shoulders.
My dad would tell me to aim for the nose if they have their head down.
Then tight behind the shoulder on a broad side shot.

We would get a few when “hunting” rats at the dump. 22lr from 50 yards to the spot between the eye and the ear would almost drop them instantly.

 

[Coyote33]

I've often wondered if coyotes are members of the canine family, would a little distraction be possible... View attachment 704358

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I know my neighbor, the farmer, finds stuffed dog toys from time to time, in his field. Definitely from coyotes.

 

[gerrycaruso]

Maybe bullet technology had advanced in the last few decades to the point that hollow points will expand at 380 velocity but I don't know. It's an interesting question and worth another look.

 

[Hailstorm]

What doesn't make sense is. The .380 recoil impulse is so similar to 9mm. Because of the direct blowback design. The advantages of using a 9mm seem like the easy choice. The hot .380 loads I have fired can sting your hand. Meanwhile, 9mm defensive ammo never had.

 

[mac1911]

Maybe bullet technology had advanced in the last few decades to the point that hollow points will expand at 380 velocity but I don't know. It's an interesting question and worth another look.

Check out some if the lead cast bullet threads. IDK if anyone is doing 380 but I know they seem to get impressive results at lower velocities

 

[Coyote33]

What doesn't make sense is. The .380 recoil impulse is so similar to 9mm. Because of the direct blowback design. The advantages of using a 9mm seem like the easy choice.

It seems to come down to size. People are choosing the .380 not because it is more powerful, not because it is cheaper, not because it recoils less. They are choosing it because it is smaller!

 

[mac1911]

What doesn't make sense is. The .380 recoil impulse is so similar to 9mm. Because of the direct blowback design. The advantages of using a 9mm seem like the easy choice. The hot .380 loads I have fired can sting your hand. Meanwhile, 9mm defensive ammo never had.

That harmonic sting, my wife hated shooting any of the 9mm pistols because of that . The 1911 even as big as it is in her very small hands she will shoot better , her complaint is the the grips dig into her hands

 

[Parker Schreiber]

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[jkelly1229]

Generally, coyotes don't find ammunition to be a deterrent. I pointed a gun at a coyote once and he came up a licked it. Was not deterred at all.

If you are asking about actually shooting a coyote. Neither are good for the Coyote. HP is much better for you.

FMJ should be shot at paper or steel only.

Not true... certain critters hp's aren't very effective against the hp will under penertrate the hide... if I'm looking to pop a critter with an underpowered round its bbore hardcast.

 

[jkelly1229]

I've often wondered if coyotes are members of the canine family, would a little distraction be possible... View attachment 704358

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Dunno about the bone... but a guy in my cousins neighborhood growing up had a yote come to his door every night to play fetch with him

 

[jkelly1229]

It's the recoil. A handgun is definitely my choice pf carry. I've been shooting for over 25 years. Before I hurt my wrist and hand I shot .45 and 9mm. I think I could handle a 9 or a 45 in an emergency situation, but I like to practice, and I couldn't do a couple boxes of either of those. If a coyote ever comes at us, It'd try to wait til it was about 6' to be sure and get a good neck or head shot. That's my plan, but of course, reality could prove different.

No beer spray for me, I don't drink.

Can i ask is a g21 too much for you? Ive had real snappy 380s and those shoot like kittens honestly

 

[jkelly1229]

Ummm, wait. Isn't this from the person who wants a .22 mag in something light enough to carry in gym shorts? You could carry a full-sized steel 1911 in 9mm and have mild recoil, but most wouldn't lug something like that around, and least of all in gym shorts only held up with a string.

My gstring supports my pmr30 no issues when I'm stripping

 

[MaxStravinsky]

Can i ask is a g21 too much for you? Ive had real snappy 380s and those shoot like kittens honestly

I've never shot a G21, I used to have a Sig 220 stainless, that was the 45 I shot.
Yeah, I've shot some really snappy 380's too, that's not what I have in mind.

 

[gerrycaruso]

I have a Glock 21. I don't use it and you're welcome to shoot it.

 

[MaxStravinsky]

I have a Glock 21. I don't use it and you're welcome to shoot it.

Thank you Gerry I think for now I'll try to make the 380 work. But that's a nice offer.

 

[gerrycaruso]

You're welcome.

 

[SS1]

Doubt it is legal in Mass
But a tactical defender in 357 maybe

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