Neither have INot like I'm an AR expert but I've never heard of BKF before lol
But a whole upper for the cost of a good quality BCG is suspect
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Neither have INot like I'm an AR expert but I've never heard of BKF before lol
well, it depends. a cheap deal is not necessarily bad, cheap uppers components are also not going to be arbitrarily bad.Neither have I
But a whole upper for the cost of a good quality BCG is suspect
Not like I'm an AR expert but I've never heard of BKF before lol
I'm guilty of having a $240 Bear Creek complete upper ie the x39 upper and a 5.56 upper. Accurate and reliable. But I'm not using this for a STHF/HD - well aware it's a bottom of the barrel upper. Just a range toy.Neither have I
But a whole upper for the cost of a good quality BCG is suspect
Just a little reality check here:I'm guilty of having a $240 Bear Creek complete upper ie the x39 upper and a 5.56 upper. Accurate and reliable. But I'm not using this for a STHF/HD - well aware it's a bottom of the barrel upper. Just a range toy.
Though you had one hell of a time getting that barrel off so I could replace it with a lighter profile x39 barrel . Soaked in red loctite if I recall
bear creek cuts costs on QA as all of them, needs to be dis/re-assembled and nut lubed, or it will not be fun to unscrew it later. mine did not have loctite on it.I'm guilty of having a $240 Bear Creek complete upper ie the x39 upper and a 5.56 upper. Accurate and reliable. But I'm not using this for a STHF/HD - well aware it's a bottom of the barrel upper. Just a range toy.
Though you had one hell of a time getting that barrel off so I could replace it with a lighter profile x39 barrel . Soaked in red loctite if I recall
hmm, a .410 High Brass Shotgun... what would be a reloading cost for them now?I keep telling myself that it's stupid and has no reasonable use but I keep getting drawn back to one of these
The .410 ammo has become quite expensive. I thought about getting one a long time ago but never followed through. Now I've got an 8 barrel set of Chiappa 12.ga barrel adapters with one being in .410 so that filled the desire.I keep telling myself that it's stupid and has no reasonable use but I keep getting drawn back to one of these
BC-15 | .410 Shotgun Right Side Charging Upper | 20" Parkerized Unthreaded Barrel with Full Choke | 15" MLOK
BC-15 | .410 Shotgun Right Side Charging Upper | 20" Parkerized Unthreaded Barrel with Full Choke | 15" MLOK The AR-15 platform just got even more versatile with the release of Bear Creek Arsenal’s .410 Shotgun AR-15 complete uppers! For the first time, ywww.bearcreekarsenal.com
Why? not certain if it was the third, fifth or nth time I was dropped on my head but I still want one 'cause reasons.
truthJust a little reality check here:
About 4,000,000 STEN guns were produced and used during WWII. The quality of those STEN guns was nowhere near the quality of the cheapest modern AR15 upper, yet they were used in wartime by millions of people with great success.
A 'range toy" will kill someone just as dead as any Gucci gun. And having the ability to converge 10-20 "range toys" on a target is far more effective than one Gucci gun. Quantity has a quality all its own.
Just a little reality check here:
About 4,000,000 STEN guns were produced and used during WWII. The quality of those STEN guns was nowhere near the quality of the cheapest modern AR15 upper, yet they were used in wartime by millions of people with great success.
A 'range toy" will kill someone just as dead as any Gucci gun. And having the ability to converge 10-20 "range toys" on a target is far more effective than one Gucci gun. Quantity has a quality all its own.
hmm, a .410 High Brass Shotgun... what would be a reloading cost for them now?
Just a little reality check here:
About 4,000,000 STEN guns were produced and used during WWII. The quality of those STEN guns was nowhere near the quality of the cheapest modern AR15 upper, yet they were used in wartime by millions of people with great success.
A 'range toy" will kill someone just as dead as any Gucci gun. And having the ability to converge 10-20 "range toys" on a target is far more effective than one Gucci gun. Quantity has a quality all its own.
a 5.56 has more than double the chamber pressure than a sten shooting 9 back in the 1940's , this pressure is happening right next to your face
we are not at war or facing a desperate logistical situation of not having arms or the cash to produce them like England in the 1940's, I've seen more than my share of blown up rifles and people with bandaged hands and patched eyes walk in to bother with cheap parts
they sure they can outsmart 60K psi 10" from their noses. a pure darwin at work, simpler to keep them on ignore.You’ll never convince the “just as good” crowd.
It probably will. But that doesn't mean you're not compensating for too little gas. Whatever makes it work. Good luck man. Let us knowUpdate: I heard back from BKF customer support. They said to use a lighter spring and buffer to see if that helps with any gassing issues…
This is spot on You’re not solving anything by replacing standard operating parts with less than standard parts , any halfway decent AR should run reliably with a standard , H1 , H2 , or H3 buffer and standard action springIt probably will. But that doesn't mean you're not compensating for too little gas. Whatever makes it work. Good luck man. Let us know
Screw you and your ignore, fool!!they sure they can outsmart 60K psi 10" from their noses. a pure darwin at work, simpler to keep them on ignore.
This is spot on You’re not solving anything by replacing standard operating parts with less than standard parts , any halfway decent AR should run reliably with a standard , H1 , H2 , or H3 buffer and standard action spring
BKF basically just told you
Don’t send it back to us , you’re on your own
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If OP tossed a shit-tier bolt carrier group with shit-tier quality control into his BKings 14.5" midlength gas system upper then that's on him--and not BKings, right?
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Update: I heard back from BKF customer support. They said to use a lighter spring and buffer to see if that helps with any gassing issues…
Not necessarily. The BCG could be fine. It could be a misaligned gas block, or a gas port that’s too small.
The OP hasn’t provided us with enough info. That said, he also probably didn’t provide BurgerKing with much info either.
I’d be interested in everything they said back. If it really was just basically “try a lighter spring”, then that’s a shitty response. Especially if he did get the complete upper with the BurgerKing BCG. If they elaborated with “it’s hard for us to say since you have other companies parts here and here and here; the problem could be with any of those parts.”, and then said try a different spring, that would be better.
The upper I bought came with a BCG. The whole thing is from BKFHorse shit. You're talking shit about a company that you yourself admitted that you know absolutely nothing about--and as a business owner yourself, you should be more careful than that.
A quick scoll through their web page shows that BKings sells uppers both with and without bolt carrier groups.
I directly asked OP about the provenance of his bolt carier group in my first post, and he did not answer the question. And it absolutely matters, right? I'm guessing it certainly would matter if it was YOUR shops upper build and YOUR shops reputation getting shit on, right?
If OP tossed a shit-tier bolt carrier group with shit-tier quality control into his BKings 14.5" midlength gas system upper then that's on him--and not BKings, right?
I'd say if the rifle runs with a known-good bolt carrier and the gas impulse provided by 5.56 NATO ammo then they've done their duty to their customer. And if it doesn't, well, they haven't--and they need to make it right, whatever that takes.
Scuba gear is expensiveHave you tried taking the gun scuba-diving?
OP hasn't tried the ammo the rifle is chambered for, either--namely 5.56 NATO--which actually DOES make a difference in a 14.5" midlength gas system carbine, as Bravo Company found out.
As for your very clever aspersion of his company--here is a link to some infromation about the individual who founded it:
Blake King...
Full disclaimer--I've bought quite a few parts from Mr. King. His prices are phenomenal--and his shipping times are incredibly fast as well. Orders over $250 ship free. He has never once fu*ked up an order of mine, and if you have a question or want to talk to him in person, just pick up the phone and dial the number.
The upper I bought came with a BCG. The whole thing is from BKF