I agree with most of what you say, except that this is 2012, it's not the wild west 1875. There is no getting around it, everyone has to go through the process one way or the other.
No, they don't. There's no registration or transaction recording in nearly every other state, and that's just fine. There is zero legitimate reason to register transactions *at all*.
if it is easier, less complicated and time consuming for me to do it online vs the manual paperwork, is my choice.
I'm a computer geek, and work with computers all day, I even have a laptop with wireless and an iPad and even a printer at my house, so I'm comfortable using computers and the interweb for stuff, but I can't imagine it being easier to use any computer form than the paper one.
I am not advocating eliminating the paper method, doing it online does not eliminate the paper.
I don't understand how you can think that. The department responsible for printing and distributing the paper forms has said explicitly that they want us to use the electronic one and not the paper ones, and they've made it really difficult to get the paper ones. Every time you use the eFA10 it's one more data point they can use to eliminate paper ones entirely.
No matter what we do as a group or individually, this area is going to take it's course. That's the way I see it. I did not miss the point, just don't agree with the way some are going about it.
What do you think "it" is, or "this area"? That's a serious question. Do you not believe we have any power to resist? Do you think that owning a gun is a right, or a privilege? If you think it's a right, do you think it's reasonable for the state to make it difficult for you to exercise that right?
1) if the systems down - you can't buy a gun.
We have paperwork for that,
No, we don't. The state has been systematically eliminating availability of the paper forms. When you can't get paper forms, you can't legally buy or sell a gun.
not to mention that already happens in the federal program when buying through an FFL. Seems to me that occurred at the marlboro gun show last year..
We're not talking about FFLs, or any Federal regulation You don't have to tell the Feds *anything* when you buy or sell a gun privately. Also, FFLs are subject to different rules than we are.
2) facilitates computerization of records
It's already there and if it isn't it will be, I have no problem with that
You should. You're an idiot if you don't have a problem with it. Records like that are what makes governments think they can get away with confiscating guns. Pretty much every anti-gun advocate knows that you have to force registration before you can confiscate.
3) you must do your transaction at a location with a computer and a printer. you can't do a transaction at a safe "neutral" location. like your gun club.
sure you can, paperwork is still available, and if someone has trouble getting paperwork, that is the fight that needs to be fought, not the EFA-10
You really don't understand how this works. As more people use the eFA10, they print fewer and few paper forms, and make them more and more difficult. You seem ignorant of the fact that there are people involved, people who have an agenda. That agenda is "make everything as difficult as possible for gun owners"
The fact that you say, "still available" means you do, on some level, understand the problem; even if you're unwilling to admit it or say it out loud. You didn't say paper FA10s are "readily available", or "easily available", you said, "still available" Why is that? I challenge you to go down to your local PD and pick up a few paper FA10s. Take a picture of them in front of ... I dunno, a couple of your guns or something.
4) you are entering your info into a poorly architected web based app for it to be slung across the Internets.
so what else is new, if it isn't up to standard, fight that fiight
??!?!?! What do you think refusing to use the eFA10 is all about? That's *exactly* what we're suggesting!
5) you are making things easier for the people who are depriving us of our rights in the first place.
no, I am not, I have had no problem buying guns... again, one way or another the paperwork has to be done.
First of all, you're not having trouble buying guns *now*. But *RIGHT NOW* isn't the issue. The issue is that the state has systematically made it more and more difficult to legally sell or buy a gun. In the old days, (not even that long ago) even in MA you could just buy guns without paperwork. Now you're a felon if you sell more than 4 in a calendar year, you have to register each transaction with an increasingly cumbersome process, and if you screw *that* up, you're also a felon. Secondly, THE PAPERWORK DOES NOT NEED TO BE DONE. There is *zero* public safety reason for any of that crap. The only reason we have to do any paperwork *AT ALL*, is because the state wants to make it difficult for us to buy and sell guns.
When people like you say things like "it has to be done", that's what they want, they want us to get used to more and more restrictions, more and more hassle, so when it's impossible to sell or buy a gun in a private sale we say shit like, "what's the problem? Just go to a dealer for the transfer! I did two yesterday!"
You seem to believe that the state has our interests at heart. They don't; not even one tiny little bit. They violate their own rules to make it hard for us, the people running the systems DO NOT LIKE GUN OWNERS! They want to eliminate private gun ownership in MA. They are *not* good people doing their job the best they can.
Forget the fact that it's still possible, and look at the trend: everything they do is to make it more difficult for gun owners. They're not going to stop until we're all de-facto felons.
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