Dallas Shooting Thread

[Fixxah]

When the **** did an SKS become an 'assault rifle'?

Lol. Obvious ignorance and political agenda is obvious.

Bayo thingy that goes up if you hold it just right.

 

[92G]

to the media and politicians there is no difference between an ar-15, sks, ak-47, m-1, mini-14/30

similar to the media, the mini 14 is wildly inaccurate.

 

[exojam]

I have only read a few pages of this thread but enough to see that people need to make up their minds, "cordwood" or "prayers".

Push people long enough and they will eventually push back.

 

[calsdad]

I just heard a spokeswoman on the radio who said that "violence is not the solution", and "violence is never the solution". I drove and thought her remarks were ironic. It is exactly violence that created the problem. It is tasing, body slams, punching, face slams, clubbings, choke holds, reckless car rides and shootings that are the root cause of the problem. The police have a serious issue at hand. They have a culture where force is the solution to everything. Their training, sense of entitlement and lack of accountability is not only contributing but justifying their behavior. For years they got away with it because every gross injustice to a person there was maybe 50 people that was close to the victim that became aware of it, and even then, some of those people may not believe the victim. Now with video recording everywhere each injustice and 50000 people become aware. Cops have nowhere to hide anymore and each incident without accountability is escalating the issue exponentially. We are near the breaking point.

That problem starts with the government and the laws it's been forcing down on people. Go look at the penalties for even the most mundane infractions.

 

[NewGuyRay]

Please read the war on cops, and look and verify real statiscs, there is issue but small %

The point is; it doesn't take many instances in the present state if our nation to convince people that cops lie.

Once that becomes the narrative, otherwise good shoots get called into question.

The simple fact is that getting hood cops to "out" the bad ones is like getting doctor and lawyers to testify against bad ones.

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[calsdad]

A lot of police have the "golden handcuffs" on. They're family guys and gals with a bunch of years on the force. They have wives, kids, ex-wives and more. The likelihood they will get another job with the same salary level, overtime pay, paid details, benefits and job security is small. If they're over 40 it will be hard to get another job in another field.

IMHO that's a big part of why they stay...

That is undoubtably true. I know a number of public employees and that is exactly why they are there.

But the thing is : They don't have to do those jobs ENTHUSIASTICALLY. A time server does just enough to get by. A lot of people in the corporate world practice that every day. You think the product you work on is a piece of crap? Well then you're not exactly going to be putting in any overtime to try and make it right. You do the bare minimum to not call yourself out.

Are cops doing that? If so then the crime problem in the black community is many times worse than it's portrayed. If they are "enthusiastically " doing their job - well then they share some of the blame here.

 

[Fixxah]

Edit the title please. We are way beyond that.

 

[calsdad]

Agree.

The best thing they could do for their cause right now is GET organized, condemn this incident, and basically say that they think a serious dialogue between them and police departments has to begin.

I don't really think there is enough organization and focus to do that, though. To do that, I think they would need to shift towards addressing this as a police violence problem, and a violence problem in general (i.e. within poor communities, etc.) They would need to take it to the next level in terms of showing that they are organized, powerful, and have an agenda that doesn't create too much divisiveness. Not to say they have to drop the fact that this happens to black people so much more often, but they would need to focus on solutions more than the problem.

BLM is an organized group. And they're not going to do what you're saying - because the organizers are going for the exact opposite of that. They're going for exactly what happened in Dallas.

 

[Coyote33]

Am I being dramatic when I say that it feels like the world is bursting at the seams and we're in for a world of shit soon?

But,but but.....people who have been expressing that sentiment for years have been labeled as "the tin foil hat crowd".

Shame on us........

The facade is cracking. Alot of problems are being laid bare. Hopefully alot of eyes can be opened.

Kind of the sentiment here

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Hmm, so you think every cop that has to enforce a BS law should just quit? Not going to happen. Solution, get rid of the pols who propose and pass the BS laws that we hate. Whining about cops is useless, but getting rid of Pols who attack us is doable, it's called voting. As I've stated before we are our own worst enemies as this thread demonstrates.

OK. The solution, unfortunately, for the perpetrators in Dallas was to shoot at cops. They had reached their own personal limit, and in their minds, thought this was the solution or a solution.

That voting thing worked out swell in Greece. Big article in the Lowell sun last week featuring some of Lowell's finest who I know personally. The hypocrisy here is the officer ( remain nameless ) was preaching about cell phones and how driving with them distracts and is breaking the law and such. Yet I have seen said " law enforcer " doing the same thing texting and on the cell phone while out and about.

Don't preach rule of law to me unless you are gonna follow the same laws as well. They call that a DOUBLE STANDARD....

This is a HUGE part of the problem.

There's a lot of people on the social webs thanking this traitor for what he did last night, it's sickening.

See my reply to rwl, above. Who knows, maybe police will slow down a little compared to before yesterday.

Speaking for myself, yes, a cop should choose to quit rather than enforce bad law. Why won't it happen? I'll answer that for you: the cop favors money over doing the right thing. He is culpable for that choice.

Thus sayeth "economist". ;-)

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Edit the title please. We are way beyond that.

Just lock this one up, and start a new one.

 

[calsdad]

And these men and women are accountable to their wives and children as well. A good father will proclaim loud and clear there is nothing more important that their family.

It's not as easy a choice as you describe. Most people have accumulated some shit under their fingernails doing stuff they found distasteful. When the alternative is unemployment, inability to pay the bills, loss of leisure activities and family vacations and more, well, it's a touch choice indeed.

At what point do your personal convictions become more important than your ability to take care of those you love?

YMMV for sure. I understand.

I do understand. It's perfectly understandable.

But this is exactly why - sooner or later - people need to start getting shot.

Otherwise that cycle just keeps going on until we end up in abject tyranny.

 

[Coyote33]

Originally Posted by richc
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It's not as easy a choice as you describe. ..., well, it's a tough choice indeed.

At what point do your personal convictions become more important than your ability to take care of those you love?
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But this is exactly why - sooner or later - people need to start getting shot.

Otherwise that cycle just keeps going on until we end up in abject tyranny.

I guess what you are describing is that "tough choice", and the "at what point" that things start to change.


Not to sound off (to the NES hawks), but I still think there could and SHOULD be an alternative to shooting and killing to make a point. This goes for both sides.

 

[W.E.C]

I'm not seeing a big push to find out the "where did he get the gun " story.

And,did the social justice warrior rosenthal pipe in yet?

 

[Finalygotabeltfed]

Good point that nobody else brought up in the thread until now.

Since Hillary will invariably and instantly blame this on gun owners - I suggest we return the favor and blame this directly on her and her complete and utter disregard for the laws of the country.

I'm sure there's an appropriate quote out there by somebody famous about what happens when the people think that the law no longer matters. I just can't think of one at the moment.

Ask and you shall receive: "When the law no longer protects you from the corrupt, but protects the corrupt from you - you know your nation is doomed."~~~Ayn Rand

 

[mikem317]

When the **** did an SKS become an 'assault rifle'?

Lol. Obvious ignorance and political agenda is obvious.

When it became imperative to ban them.


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[Coyote33]

Just in, from CNN:

President Obama will cut short his European trip by one day and visit Dallas early next week, the White House announced.

What else we have learned:

The gunman killed during the Dallas standoff was the lone shooter in the deaths of five officers, said Mayor Mike Rawlings. “We believe now that the city is safe,” he said.
At the same news conference, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott urged vigilance: “What will be important is to ensure that there are no other potential co-conspirators."
Investigators identified the dead shooter as 25-year-old Micah Xavier Johnson of Mesquite, Texas, a military veteran who served in Afghanistan.
Police said they searched Johnson’s home and found bomb-making materials, ballistic vests, rifles, ammunition and a personal journal of combat tactics.
Johnson had at least two weapons with him during the attack, a rifle and a handgun, two law enforcement officials told CNN's Evan Perez and Shimon Prokupecz. One of the officials said the long gun was an SKS, a Russian-designed semi-automatic rifle.
People across the United States are planning to come together Friday and this weekend in reaction to back-to-back police shootings caught on video this week, and also in reaction to Thursday night's Dallas attack at a protest against those police shootings.

 

[SKS Ray]

When the **** did an SKS become an 'assault rifle'?

Lol. Obvious ignorance and political agenda is obvious.

When you can make a model D look like this:

Or a standard version look like this:

As long as you use quality products, you've got a more accurate platform than an AK with all the bells and whistles of a modern rifle. People dub it as the poor man's assault rifle because of initial price and availability of accessories.

None of which pictured are mine btw. I keep them stock the way they were meant to be.

 

[jpm]

I'm not seeing a big push to find out the "where did he get the gun " story.

From Hilary no doubt, right?

 

[10thSFFD]

What does the shooter's mother have to do with this?

Another update for you after FBI visit:

Police said they searched Johnson’s home and found bomb-making materials, ballistic vests, rifles, ammunition and a personal journal of combat tactics.

 

[jkelly1229]

When the **** did an SKS become an 'assault rifle'?

Lol. Obvious ignorance and political agenda is obvious.

Stems from a shooting a longggggg time ago in Texas it's why they are banned for import and even tho they cost like 100 bucks in every other country we pay insane amounts for them.

 

[flippinfleck]

Police said they searched Johnson’s home and found bomb-making materials, ballistic vests, rifles, ammunition and a personal journal of combat tactics.

So they searched an NES members house?

They searched and found things that would commonly be found in a "gun enthusiasts" home. Add those to an event like this and suddenly you have a new lawr that says "anyone who buys fertilizer and a case of ammunition is now a terrorist and will be added to the list".

 

[SKS Ray]

Stems from a shooting a longggggg time ago in Texas it's why they are banned for import and even tho they cost like 100 bucks in every other country we pay insane amounts for them.

All semi auto military rifles are banned from import from Russia and China. SKS carbines still come in from other countries such as Yugoslavia.

 

[headednorth]

to the media and politicians there is no difference between an ar-15, sks, ak-47, m-1, mini-14/30

I was trying to find the link to a video earlier when I posted that but couldnt find it. Talking head said the killer used an "SKS assault rifle."

 

[calsdad]

I really think there are two parts to it. There is a movement, with a lot of followers and posers who feel like they're a part of something when they end their tweets with #blacklivesmatter, and there is an organization behind the scenes that is controlling the "movement" part of it. Many, if not most, of the people in the movement part don't want violence. They don't want events like last night, and many may even want a world where race isn't an issue. On the other hand, the organized part is manipulating these followers to incite violence, to create a racial divide, create mistrust, and polarize the situation. To what end, I could only speculate. Movements without organization backing them up tend to fizzle out very quickly, sort of like #jesuischarlie (after the Charlie Hebdo attack) and #bringbackourgirls (referring to the children in Africa who were abducted and sold into sex slavery).

Useful idiots.

They exist in every "movement".

 

[jpm]

Stems from a shooting a longggggg time ago in Texas it's why they are banned for import and even tho they cost like 100 bucks in every other country we pay insane amounts for them.

I think that may have been an AK?

 

[Pilgrim]

must have been a Romy

Oreilly on FOX is still saying it's an AR.....suits the purpose better i guess.

 

[10thSFFD]

So they searched an NES members house?

They searched and found things that would commonly be found in a "gun enthusiasts" home. Add those to an event like this and suddenly you have a new lawr that says "anyone who buys fertilizer and a case of ammunition is now a terrorist and will be added to the list".

Bingo! Foreign radios report that few people were arrested in Dallas because they had legal guns. They were let go, but it was not pleasant. Watch Barry and others using this "confusion" against us big time!

 

[Picton]

The Army is saying the killer was a "carpentry and masonry specialist?" He was a six-year reservist, but E3 still seems low.

In any case, anyone familiar with that MOS? When I was in, the carpentry guys (R&U) were always dudes with standard MOSs who had gotten broken, and who were serving out their enlistment on a profile.

eta: it seems to be 12W, an engineering MOS?

 

[Bonesinium]

The Army is saying the killer was a "carpentry and masonry specialist?" He was a six-year reservist, but E3 still seems low.

In any case, anyone familiar with that MOS? When I was in, the carpentry guys (R&U) were always dudes with standard MOSs who had gotten broken, and who were serving out their enlistment on a profile.

eta: it seems to be 12W, an engineering MOS?

Civil engineering I believe.

 

[10thSFFD]

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[copterdoctor]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-police-massacre-laughs-way-NATO-summit.html