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Craigslist Killer indicted - bought hand gun in NH with stolen NY id
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You can buy a gun in NH with a NY license?
I thought you needed a NH license.
I thought you needed a NH license.
Last time I was up there I asked about that very subject and was told that I could buy a long gun/shotgun but no handguns. Illegal is the operative word here. That, however, will be lost in the anti-gun rehtoric you'll read about in the future articles.
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strangenh
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Either the forensics team lifted a print off a weeks-old piece of paper, or that's referring to NY paperwork with an inked print on it, meaning he bought in NH and transferred through a NY dealer. There's yet another crime to be dealt with if a NH dealer made a handgun transfer directly to a NY resident.
Apparently State Line Gun Shop in Mason:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/re...arraignment_this_morning/srvc=home&position=0
strangenh
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Actually, reading the article again, it says nothing about what state ID was used for the handgun purchase. Only that the name used was the same.
I seem to recall Jim (MFLR) posting that he heard the purchase was made on a license that was superficially legit, but had been obtained through fraud.
That's some crafty language, there.
I seem to recall Jim (MFLR) posting that he heard the purchase was made on a license that was superficially legit, but had been obtained through fraud.
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We should really outlaw Driver's Licenses. Too many crimes are committed with them.
It's for the children.
pdm
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Not if the killer used identity theft to get a NH license. Then it would be a completely legit transaction from the dealer's POV. You aren't liable (or shouldn't be) if someone defrauds you.
Right. He may have used a fraudulent NH driver's license, or had the gun transferred through a NY dealer (though I would doubt that, since he would also have to have a NY firearms license and get the purchase approved by a judge, if I understand NY gun laws correctly).
We'll have to wait and see. Hopefully State Line followed all the rules.
Given the truth / fact level of many Boston area newspapers in the past I would wait to consider the actual facts assuming they come out at some point. I would find it unusual to say the least that a responsible dealer would sell anything without the proper documentation and the fact that they have a document which was part of the transaction would indicate a lawfull transaction from the dealers perspective took place.
I'm guessing he had a fake NH license, or a real one stolen from a person who was originally from New York, but who had since moved here and obtained a NH DL. Getting a fraudulent NH DL without help on the inside is pretty tough, based on what I had to go through to get one.
Definitely need more info on this one.
The Herald did say the gun was purchased "over the counter", which I read as meaning a direct sale.
Definitely need more info on this one.
The Herald did say the gun was purchased "over the counter", which I read as meaning a direct sale.
There's no way the transaction occurred as described in the Herald. If they had claimed the gun was bought from an individual, at a gunshow, using an out-of-state license which happened to be fake, I might buy it. But to believe that a major dealer, who's been in business for a long time, would simply say, "Oh, a New York driver's license? Sure, have a handgun. New York, New Jersey, New Hampshire, it's all the same to me." is simply ridiculous.
There's a link to this chain that's clearly missing.
There's a link to this chain that's clearly missing.
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Take NY out of the equation here. "Y" & "H" are right next to each other on the keyboard. This seems much more plausible that the ID was NH and not NY. Newspapers have given up on basic fact checking in their stories and this is the inevitable result.
ETA: Yes, I know they spelled it out, but the typo may have occurred in an earlier version where the editor spelled out the state names after the writer use the abbreviations. Or notes made on a PC were the source of the error, etc. If state line is still open, it wasn't a NY ID.
ETA: Yes, I know they spelled it out, but the typo may have occurred in an earlier version where the editor spelled out the state names after the writer use the abbreviations. Or notes made on a PC were the source of the error, etc. If state line is still open, it wasn't a NY ID.
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There's no rocket science here. The guy probably either had a really good fake, or used a stolen identity to obtain an NH DL. NICS is easily bypassed by anyone willing to commit a few federal "paper" felonies, which most violent criminals seem to have little resistance to doing.
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Getting a NH DL when moving into state is a backwards-ass procedure that seems difficult to fake your way through (unless it has changed since I last did it 4 years ago).
If I remember correctly I had to get my license plates transferred first and use that documentation as proof for the DL Center that I was now a resident.
If I remember correctly I had to get my license plates transferred first and use that documentation as proof for the DL Center that I was now a resident.
pdm
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That's why you'd steal someone's identity through a little dumpster diving. Get a "replacement" ID. Or use the same channels that illegals use.
dwarven1
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So what do people who have driver's licenses but no car do?
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To get an NH driver's license you need two current forms of ID, such as your old DL and a passport, and one proof of residence (mortgage, lease agreement, etc.)
Thats all I needed and I was at the DMV this last week transferring a registration and the same poster was on the wall saying what they recognized as the two ID documents and one residency document. There was no drama or long process in getting my stuff switched from MA to NH.
Thats all I needed and I was at the DMV this last week transferring a registration and the same poster was on the wall saying what they recognized as the two ID documents and one residency document. There was no drama or long process in getting my stuff switched from MA to NH.
So what do people who have driver's licenses but no car do?
Bring in a piece of mail addressed to you at a NH res.
It's not an ass-backwards system, it's actually pretty clear cut and rational. Something that tends to cause nerve endings and synapses to fry in a former MA resident's brain when dealing with the gov.
