Not sure I follow your arguments. Besides, if that guy wasn't there the other 4 guys who drew their pistols would have had the chance to take out the perp
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Church Shooting in Texas. (Or, we're not going anywhere with this one.)
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"Saved 242 people" implies that the shooter would have shot every one of them. The reality is he would probably have gotten 10% or so, so in reality, he saved a couple of dozen people.
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My point exactly.
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"The Jews" don't all feel this way. Believe me I'm not alone. I only go to Temple once a year (mostly to accompany my dad) but when I go I'm certainly carrying. Unfortunately many Jews (and people of all religions) have short memories or believe things like that (a church shooting, a holocaust, etc.) can't or won't happen again or happen to them for some reason. They blindly and stupidly place too much faith in human goodness. Many Jews (including the Jews who live in Israel that you referred to) and many rabbi's understand that the right to defend oneself is a "God-given" right that's referred to repeatedly in the Torah/bible. Painting all Jews with a broad brush, just because many prominent ones are idiots (as in any race or religion) is a mistake.
Few notes for those of you who provide security:
1. You have to practice situational awareness all the time. In this case perp was "unique" enough to justify not sitting on the chair anymore, for example. Look for unique all the time and once it is there switch from "being nice" mode to "clear & present danger" mode.
2. Train, train, train! Pick one system and know it well. I go by Kadochnikov, but there are many others you can YouTube and train according to them. It is not enough just to see them and understand them, you need to actually practice them.
3. Do not post yourself as an obvious security. You will become a first target.
4. When perp starts moving you have to move faster! This is what Kadochnikov teaches well.
kevin9
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Bwahaha. That's as far as I got. Unc'a Joe calling anyone else irrational is just too hilarious. I can see a smudge-the-cat meme in there somewhere.Uncle Joe missed by this much
Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden attacked Texas Governor Greg Abbott earlier this year for signing a bill into law that allowed lawful gun owners to carry firearms in places of worship, repeatedly calling Abbott’s decision “irrational.”
Biden’s resurfaced remarks come as an attacker opened fire on a church congregation in Texas on Sunday, where he was immediately stopped by a good guy with a gun.
“Dealing with firearms, it is irrational, with all due respect to the governor of Texas, irrational what they are doing,” Biden told reporters on September 2. “On the very day you see a mass shooting … and we’re talking about loosening access to have guns, to be able to take them into places of worship, it’s just absolutely irrational. It’s totally irrational.”
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p.s. That's a righteous shot, taking down the perp.
Well said! Thank you!
How about us? All of us? Don't we have a divided nation? One half wants open borders and lenient approach and no guns whatsoever......This is a global insanity stage and it will not go away.
Rob, be careful, we are in a new century for a decade already! Learn from IDF and their approach. Perp could have a better equipment or could be strapped. Never underestimate what they can come up with!
But we should play up the fact that armed citizens saved 242 others! Antis misrepresent numbers all the time.
Not very good at winning an information war are you? Let the media say he saved 242 lives, there is no downside for us.
FrugalFannie
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And rightly so!
We should just underscore again that the fastest defense is CCW combined with a good training. Nothing can be faster!
Most American jews are anti gun, that’s pretty much a fact you can take to the bank. That said, On the other hand, the American jews I know that aren’t antis are pretty ferocious in supporting RKBA. You’re not going to find many “fudds” or wobblies in that class.
-Mike
FrugalFannie
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you really ought to find another place to spread your hatred.
tuna
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FrugalFannie
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@Rob Boudrie - don't mess things up with facts. LOL.
But others are "right" that the left would definitely say "could have killed 242 people!" So let's claim the good guy saved 242 people.
But others are "right" that the left would definitely say "could have killed 242 people!" So let's claim the good guy saved 242 people.
Evadd
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Sounds like getting fired is the least lesson you need to be taught.
I am sorry, you have missed the point.
It is absurd that in our country good guy with a gun has to hesitate in the face of the evil.
It is absurd that in this country perps have more rights than gun owners.
allen-1
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Yeah, guns aren't a grey area for the Jews in America that I know; (and let's NOT mix up American Jews and Israelis). The majority of Jewish people that I've known don't like firearms. I'm not sure why.
Then there are Jews like me - who lost family in the Holocaust. I believe that there are fundamentally evil people in the world - and that it's my responsibility to protect myself and my loved ones against them.
I have prints of Matt Graham's KillHouse Rules in my office and over my reloading bench because I think he summarizes quite well.
Artifact
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You are missing the point but it’s ok.
MSant
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One of my major pet peeves also. The one shooting incident I ended up in the middle of, a woman started screaming hysterically after. Someone may have had words with her husband to encourage him to muzzle her. It worked
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