Here is a perfect example of why so many gun haters say that gun owners are paranoid and dangerous. She should be relieved of her firearm.
Brilliant. So if tomorrow you do something with your gun that your local police chief doesn't like, you won't complain when they show up to take away all of yours? Who needs trials or due process?
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Why do you all think she should be relieved of her 2A rights for something that is normal almost everywhere else?
I don't. I think she's an idiot for greeting the cops in her home with a drawn pistol. I think her going out to the car with a pistol in her hand is questionable and probably stupid based on the facts that we have, but it doesn't bother me that much. I wouldn't have done it, but that's just me.
... and how often is this mentioned, and about the only thing people come up with is one guy who got in trouble (STUPIDLY!) while getting a pizza, and his windbreaker blew up?
That is one, folks, out of how many people over how many years?
Just so people who don't know are clear, the guy involved in that case wasn't charged with anything, they simply revoked his LTC for "suitability" reasons. Below is a link to the thread on it.
Dedham- Misuse of Authority
She may be (and probably is) a complete fool. But, just like that LEO who pulled a gun in a snowball fight a while back, nobody was hurt, she may have had a legitimate concern for her safety, and while we might (and I do) find fault with her behavior as it has been reported, it should not rise to the level of being illegal.
I agree with this 100%.
I am confused by this focus on "drawing her weapon".
Waving her pistol in the air was a pretty stupid thing to do over a parking issue in my opinion, but in reality she didn't really do much there. However, I'm surprised she didn't get a Darwin Award for greeting the cops with a pistol in her hand, when her husband invited them into their home to investigate an incident with a gun.
Whether morally or legally correct, doing something like this in Massachusetts has "take my LTC" written all over it.
RE this lady loosing her rights. I don't have a problem with it. If she is that stupid, its only a matter of time before she actually shoots somebody who did not need shooting and gives us all a bad name/more fuel for the antis. She clearly abused her right to carry a firearm and only confirmed it by yelling to the cops that she had a gun, causing them to draw. It would only be a matter of time before she got herself or somebody else killed acting like that.
Funny thing about rights is they can be abused all they want...they're yours, as a human. Her legal firearm
privileges in Massachusetts have been revoked, but if she's as nutty and paranoid as you claim, she can break a few laws and have another gun in her hands faster than you can fill out a 4473. Taking her guns solves nothing.
What she did was foolish (assuming the papers got the story right), but encouraging CLEO's to take away people's guns because someone's feelings got hurt is plain wrong.
These types of things always remind me of the situation that was handled perfectly by Andrew Patti in a situation where he was probably 30+ miles from any cop knowing that area myself. There is no cell service to this day and they cut the phone lines. Ayoob says how smart he was to remain inside and I tend to agree with him here.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_169_28/ai_114475580/
From that link
Andrew Patti thinks fast. If he rushes for the phone, this man might try to kick in the door. Andy could get hurt. At best he might have to kill a man in front of his son. He needs to buy time. He says, 'TII tell you what I'll do. I'll call Ward's Garage for you." The man on the other side agrees.
Andy is across the room, away from the window and the door, where his dad has gestured for him to go when the hammering began at the door. Now Andrew closes the blind and gestures to his son to follow him as he quickly goes to the phone, not to call the garage, but to call the police.
It doesn't work. The line is dead. Father and son sprint upstairs, but it's the same story with the phone in the master bedroom.
The youth asks, "What's wrong, Dad'?" The armed citizen replies, "'They've cut the wires."
Andrew Patti and his son stayed up a very long time that night, unable to call for assistance. Andrew was too smart to go outside and risk ambush or leave his son alone. When he finally slept, it was with his Glock resting on his chest.
I can't imagine the sick feeling that must have rushed through Mr. Patti when he realized that he was completely stranded like that.
I think the proper way to handle this type of situation if there really was a potential threat and you had to walk out of the house would be to hold the gun close to your leg pointed at the ground or behind your leg or in your belt behind your hip (if you didn't have a holster).
Yup. You still have the advantage of surprise, and if it turns out to be a father waiting to pick up his daughter from school, nobody shows up to take your LTC.
I live in crime ridden Manchester, NH. and I would hardly consider it perfectly normal to walk out onto my front porch brandishing a pistol because someone just happened to be parked in front of my house.
Neither would I, we're in agreement here.
She's definitely a couple cards short and does that not make her a danger not only to the poor unsuspecting citizens involved but to OUR second amendment rights also? THIS WOMAN IS A PARANOID SCREWBALL!!!!
We'll have to disagree here. Our founding fathers paid
far too high a price for you, me and some politically appointed police chief to get to decide who has legal access to rights and who doesn't. I may disagree with her decisions, and I'd tell her that to her face if I ran into her in public, but I will not ever support her rights being violated by anyone.
You seem like you're a bit of a hothead using all those CAPITAL LETTERS. I think your police chief should revoke your permit to not be forced to house soldiers in your home based on suitability. While he's at it, he should revoke your due process permit and your free speech permit, or at least restrict your free speech permit so you can only use it in your home and place of business.
You're upsetting people, and abusing your free speech rights. Thank God for that "suitability" clause in the 1A, otherwise we'd have no legal means to shut you up.
It's a real b*tch when the tables get turned on you, isn't it?
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I'll send you some rep when I have some left, I'm all out after running through the HR 2259 thread.
