Boston LTC process - denied my 2a because I'm a second class citizen

You have to understand,or atleast try to understand that Boston PD has a system.It's like a computer program you feed it the wrong info it will not take it.They gave you a list of what you need if you don't have what is on the list then you don't get you LTC-FID. The system they have now is the best it's ever been,you should have seen how they use to F*^K with you back in the 80's.
 
Similar situation. I derived my citizenship when I was 14 or so when my parents were naturalized. I don't have any naturalization certificate. Technically, I am not a "naturalized" citizen.
http://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/citizenship-through-parents
note the "Automatic U.S. Citizenship After Birth - But Before the Age of 18" rules

I currently possess a passport and DOD security clearance. There is a part in the LTC application where you have to provide your naturalization certificate if you are a naturalized citizen. I explained my situation in my initial application in Somerville, and was issued an LTC with no problems.

I will be due up for renewal next year or so in a different town. This has always been something that has bugged me that some bureaucratic BS/misunderstanding could potentially result in a denial.
 
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PATRON said:
You have to understand,or atleast try to understand that Boston PD has a system.It's like a computer program you feed it the wrong info it will not take it.They gave you a list of what you need if you don't have what is on the list then you don't get you LTC-FID. The system they have now is the best it's ever been,you should have seen how they use to F*^K with you back in the 80's.
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The Boston PD is one of the few places i've seen that requires a Birth certificate or naturalization papers instead of just taking a passport like how I got mine in Randolph. DCJIS doesn't seem to require that specific information but because of the requirements set up by the Boston PD my friend can't even start the application process. I have no sympathy for the Boston PD if they are using an antiquated system to scapegoat as a reason to deny his 2a rights.

Just because it was worse in the past means nothing when it is still insufficient today.
 
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Artifact said:
Yes, but a citizenship is a citizenship regardless of how you acquired it. It does suck that you can't run for the US presidency but hey one can live with that.
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Oh really? Lack of supplying a birth certificate didn't stop Obama from running for president! [laugh] Good luck, OP.
 
LenS said:
Don't give up. Send your info (story) to [email protected] and see what they can do for you.

They won Haas v. Fletcher in USDC for green card holders, I'm not sure if that will help or not but it might.

Good luck and don't give up hope.
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^^this.
i am very sorry to hear about your situation. my family are immigrants too....it's bullshit that Boston and this entire state pulls crap like this. it's part of a large organized shift towards socialism.

IMO the best thing is to eventually get the **** out of MA and pay tax to a state that doesn't suck.
 
Erichkruger said:
The Boston PD is one of the few places i've seen that requires a Birth certificate or naturalization papers instead of just taking a passport like how I got mine in Randolph. DCJIS doesn't seem to require that specific information but because of the requirements set up by the Boston PD my friend can't even start the application process. I have no sympathy for the Boston PD if they are using an antiquated system to scapegoat as a reason to deny his 2a rights.

Just because it was worse in the past means nothing when it is still insufficient today.
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Deleted the original reply. I just realized your friend is the OP... Doh!
 
Is there any way you can prove your parents are indeed your parents? If so, could you provide a copy of their naturalization papers, along with a birth certificate from your native country? Do your parents have your birth certificate? If this is accepted, it would be a lot less expensive than the $600 the Feds want to steal from you.

The most difficult and time consuming part would be retrieving paperwork from your country of birth.
 
I have it on good authority that Hudson, MA also requires a birth certificate or naturalization certificate to apply, Passports NOT accepted.
 
Billsail said:
Is there any way you can prove your parents are indeed your parents? If so, could you provide a copy of their naturalization papers, along with a birth certificate from your native country? Do your parents have your birth certificate? If this is accepted, it would be a lot less expensive than the $600 the Feds want to steal from you.

The most difficult and time consuming part would be retrieving paperwork from your country of birth.
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The worst part of this is when he asked if the certificate of citizenship would be enough to satisfy their requirement for proof of citizenship the people at the PD said no. So if the OP did decide to spend the $600 he would have still been denied because it was not specifically a Birth certificate or naturalization papers.

He has no options because of them denying the certificate. If a certificate of citizenship is not enough for the PD i don't think anything else would be.
 
RImike said:
Do they require the documentation as part of a requirement to verify identity or citizenship?
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The paperwork says Birth Certificate or Naturalization Certificate, therefore, Birth Certificate or Naturalization Certificate are the only items accepted. There is no listing for a passport on the paperwork, so it is not accepted. They accept documentation listed on the form and nothing else.
 
Accepted, past tense. The city capitulated pretty quickly and claimed that their staff had misinterpreted or misapplied the rule.

Interestingly, I think Weymouth has the same requirement.

Darksideblues42 said:
The paperwork says Birth Certificate or Naturalization Certificate, therefore, Birth Certificate or Naturalization Certificate are the only items accepted. There is no listing for a passport on the paperwork, so it is not accepted. They accept documentation listed on the form and nothing else.
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anon2424 said:
Because I have never gone through the process, I do not have a certificate on file with them and they cannot render a copy. I would have to go through a a new process which is 600 dollars, quoted directed from the USCIS website.
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Have you asked your parents if they have your certificate sitting around at home? When my parents became citizens, they got Certificates of Citizenship for all of us. I thought it was part of the process.
 
anon2424 said:
Hello hello, I'm checking in from Boston MA. After a recent issue BPD had with my US passport, and a federal case supplied by the great gents at Comm2a on these very forums against BPD, they have issued me my LTC. As I've received my card, I believe the gag order is no longer in place, so great to be here, I hope to learn a lot.
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****in-A! Congrats!

Oh and com2a,

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Well done.
 
namedpipes said:
Is it pronounced en-go (like Enron) or something else?

Inquiring minds...
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Vietnamese put the -ing sound (without the "i"), like we have at the end of words, often at the front of words. It does not sound like the individual letters of N+G. Think of how we combine S+H to make the SH sound.

Nguyen - as I was taught that it sounds like "when" when spoken quickly.
Ngo - likely sounds like ng-o or virtually "no" when spoken quickly
 
Darksideblues42 said:
The paperwork says Birth Certificate or Naturalization Certificate, therefore, Birth Certificate or Naturalization Certificate are the only items accepted. There is no listing for a passport on the paperwork, so it is not accepted. They accept documentation listed on the form and nothing else.
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The day after the lawsuit was filed, Boston changed their paperwork to include the following as Proof of United States Citizenship/ Permanent Residency

  • U S Birth Certificate
  • Naturalization Documentation
  • Permanent Resident Card
  • Certificate of Citizenship
  • Foreign Birth Certificate
  • Valid US Passport
 
dogdoctor said:
Vietnamese put the -ing sound (without the "i"), like we have at the end of words, often at the front of words. It does not sound like the individual letters of N+G. Think of how we combine S+H to make the SH sound.

Nguyen - as I was taught that it sounds like "when" when spoken quickly.
Ngo - likely sounds like ng-o or virtually "no" when spoken quickly
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I have a Vietnamese friend with Ngo as a last name, he pronounces it like the starting sound in "gnocchi" Not sure that is universal or just the way he pronounces it.
 
Klaus said:
Have you asked your parents if they have your certificate sitting around at home? When my parents became citizens, they got Certificates of Citizenship for all of us. I thought it was part of the process.
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The issue is that Boston would not confirm that a Certificate of Citizenship was acceptable. They would ONLY accept a Birth Certificate or Naturalization Certificate. Ngo could obtain neither.

The big hammer, in my opinion, was the Federal Law that defines a passport as having the same force and effect of certificates of citizenship or naturalization.

22 U.S. Code § 2705 - Documentation of citizenship

The following documents shall have the same force and effect as proof of United States citizenship as certificates of naturalization or of citizenship issued by the Attorney General or by a court having naturalization jurisdiction:

(1) A passport, during its period of validity (if such period is the maximum period authorized by law), issued by the Secretary of State to a citizen of the United States.
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