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ATF intends to reclassify and ban "armor piercing" ammo including M855
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Mass-diver
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Ya, there's a rush on for the stuff nationally (the word is out).
I assume the 193 will dry up next as people go all out on the m855 and overall amount of ammo on the market drops?
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It is unlikely they will thoughtfully consider every letter. My guess it the person you address it to will not ever see your letter, but will get a summary report of how many "for" and "against".
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Just checked a couple major online retailers - pretty much everything 5.56 is gone (cases).
I think another round of panic buying has begun. I assume people will start buying large quarries of reloading components, as with other panics.
Most of us are well stocked up, but it's tough to burn into your stockpile when you can't get more
Lol, I neither said they would be thoughtful nor consider it. Merely that the had to read & respond.
We can hope they listen but if it's between us and their master in the WH we know which they will choose.
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This is an opportunity to ban a type of ammo commonly used in ARs. That's the whole point and is why the Bearing Arms article identifying why the ban would not make any sense is irrelevant. http://bearingarms.com/goodbye-greentip-atf-seeks-ban-common-ss109m855-5-56-ammunition/ Similarly, that is why well-intended letters like the one posted above by RDG are irrelevant.
M193 will be next based on some other arbitrary criterion.
tl;dr: ATF does not care about your opinion or the logic behind the proposed ban. They have found a way to ban a type of ammo and intend to follow through.
M193 will be next based on some other arbitrary criterion.
tl;dr: ATF does not care about your opinion or the logic behind the proposed ban. They have found a way to ban a type of ammo and intend to follow through.
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Mass-diver
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Can't ban the rifle, just ban ammo. Eventually, an attempt will be made to control reloading as well.
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ATF intends to reclassify and ban "armor piercing" ammo including M855
Because of the steel and alloy core instead of lead, the same jacket thickness would lead to a higher percent of total weight.
Because of the steel and alloy core instead of lead, the same jacket thickness would lead to a higher percent of total weight.
well that didn't take long huh. JFC.
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Here's the NRA link
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150213/batfe-to-ban-common-ar-15-ammo
Pretty sure this is going to be another major shortage with jacked up prices as a result of the threat of government regulation.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150213/batfe-to-ban-common-ar-15-ammo
Pretty sure this is going to be another major shortage with jacked up prices as a result of the threat of government regulation.
shortage is right. And not just SS109/855. People are going to be grabbing anything 223/556 like its gold..
maybe I can start finding 22lr..
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i wouldn't pay more than .30 per round, just cause i couldn't stomach .26 for steel or zinc cases.
So it looks like i'll never buy ammo again...
While i usually would blame obama for a stubbed toe, in this case it is his fault
So it looks like i'll never buy ammo again...
While i usually would blame obama for a stubbed toe, in this case it is his fault
Defund the ATF. Duh...
Bottom lines.....
1...- 855 will be banned for sale....the ATF "comment' period is just government BS to pretend they are listening to the voice of the people. There is NOTHING the people can do to change the decision they have already made to ban the sales of 855. You/we have lost period!
2 .... 855 is officially in panic buy mode! Get it now because when the ATF official comment period is over the ban will be implemented.
3......Any gun store or supplier that has any 855 will jacked up their price or take if off the floor till the band is "official". Then watch how quick it will suddenly "reappear" at the the gun shops 3-8 months later at greatly increased prices. Just like magic !!! The guns shops will brag how they beat the bushes to bring you the green tip (translation...stored on pallets in our basement) and like crack fiends, people will rush to buy it at almost any price!
4.... New opportunity for hoarders to buy up anything available to sell later on to those who 'missed the boat' for great profits!
5.... new round of panic buyers created now looking to buy the 855 stuff at any price just because they heard they won't be able to get it... ( and may or may not have a weapon that shoots the ammo!)
6.....Unlike other prior panics ...this is a ban and not a shortage so what you got/get will be your last chance to have some.
Gee seems like we have been here before....MANY times...... and some still haven't learned !
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1...- 855 will be banned for sale....the ATF "comment' period is just government BS to pretend they are listening to the voice of the people. There is NOTHING the people can do to change the decision they have already made to ban the sales of 855. You/we have lost period!
2 .... 855 is officially in panic buy mode! Get it now because when the ATF official comment period is over the ban will be implemented.
3......Any gun store or supplier that has any 855 will jacked up their price or take if off the floor till the band is "official". Then watch how quick it will suddenly "reappear" at the the gun shops 3-8 months later at greatly increased prices. Just like magic !!! The guns shops will brag how they beat the bushes to bring you the green tip (translation...stored on pallets in our basement) and like crack fiends, people will rush to buy it at almost any price!
4.... New opportunity for hoarders to buy up anything available to sell later on to those who 'missed the boat' for great profits!
5.... new round of panic buyers created now looking to buy the 855 stuff at any price just because they heard they won't be able to get it... ( and may or may not have a weapon that shoots the ammo!)
6.....Unlike other prior panics ...this is a ban and not a shortage so what you got/get will be your last chance to have some.
Gee seems like we have been here before....MANY times...... and some still haven't learned !
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Bottom lines.....
1...- 855 will be banned for sale....the ATF "comment' period is just government BS to pretend they are listening to the voice of the people. There is NOTHING the people can do to change the decision they have already made the ban the sales of 855. You/we have lost period!
2 .... 855 is officially in panic buy mode! Get it now because when the ATF official comment period is over the ban will be implemented.
3......Any gun store or supplier that has any 855 will jacked up their price or take if off the floor till the band is "official". Then watch how quick it will suddenly "reappear" at the the gun shops 3-8 months later at greatly increased prices. Just like magic !!! The guns shops will brag how they beat the bushes to bring you the green tip (translation...stored on pallets in our basement) and like crack fiends, people will rush to buy it at almost any price!
4.... New opportunity for hoarders to buy up anything available to sell later on to those who 'missed the boat' for great profits!
5.... new round of panic buyers created now looking to buy the 855 stuff at any price just because they heard they won't be able to get it... ( and may or may not have a weapon that shoots the ammo!)
6.....Unlike other prior panics ...this is a ban and not a shortage so what you got/get will be your last chance to have some.
Gee seem like we have been here before....MANY times...... and some still haven't learned
I fully agree. At what price gouging point will I be considered a dick for selling my stock at?
The ATF didn't go out for a proposal for lack of a reason/hidden agenda!
Nation...you would never be consider a dick for selling your stock....
...a dick is selling your stock at an inflated price during a artificial shortage.
... you would be considered a hero for selling your limited stock, of a no longer obtainable commodity, to those less fortunate individuals who (through no fault of their own) do not have the opportunity to obtain any.
No greater love has one person for another then to "share" their remaining stash of 855 green tips!!
(and as some people know with other scarce "commodity's" ... "love" comes with a cost!!!)
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