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What happened to surveillance and due diligence? Making sure the person they are looking for is at the residence before violating civil rights and executing innocent people. It seems like some departments are more than happy to play GI Joe with their cool toys Instead of doing actual police work. The amount of lives that are put at risk by this type of law enforcement action is mind boggling. Everyone sleeping in that thin walled apartment complex was needlessly put in danger. This man did everything right in life and that still wasn't enough. We all should be disgusted, concerned and want better from our government. No family deserves what this one is going through. No citizen deserves to die because he can't figure out what's going on in his home at 3am from a sound sleep in 10 seconds.
Shit, I sleep with a gun...Boot lickers coming into this thread with "he shouldn't have been hanging with people who have no-knock warrants" or "why is he sleeping with a gun" or "why didn't he follow orders, PSGWSP" in 3-2-1........
I don’t but it’s right on my bedside nightstand.Shit, I sleep with a gun...
I guess that's what I meant.I don’t but it’s right on my bedside nightstand.
Obviously I was just having fun with yaI guess that's what I meant.
not much ggboyIf they can do that to this guy then what's to prevent them from eventually doing this to all of us?
It does need to be nuked .It doesn’t need to be nuked, but it does need to be seriously revamped…. But the people that think everything is black & white in terms of this stuff are a huge reason I got out.
I used to , but it wouldn't keep it damn cold feet off me .Shit, I sleep with a gun...
I have my wife for that...I used to , but it wouldn't keep it damn cold feet off me .
It does need to be nuked .
A simple fact of human nature since the beginning of time is that as long as people have had authority over others , that authority has been abused.
Leave that door open even a crack and it will literally and figuratively be kicked in.
Shit, I sleep with a gun...
I don’t but it’s right on my bedside nightstand.
I guess that's what I meant.
I used to , but it wouldn't keep it damn cold feet off me .
What are YOU doing to protest this?Still too cold for the usual suspects to begin their “peaceful protests”.
When that happens legislators will reevaluate firearm laws instead, at the behest of the police union.realistically there will be a wrong house no knock at some point that goes really bad for the leo's and I think that is what its going to take for them to reevaluate the actions. Dropping a dude on the couch in a blanket isn't causing em any problems because they all went home at night to their families.
Dogs, beltfeds and claymores.If they can do that to this guy then what's to prevent them from eventually doing this to all of us?
There is one of two things going on.
1. You need to fire every police officer in Mini-Apples and start completely from scratch. Burn teh current buildings down. Dump all of the vehicles into the Lake. Start over.
There is one of two things going on.
1. You need to fire every police officer in Mini-Apples and start completely from scratch. Burn teh current buildings down. Dump all of the vehicles into the Lake. Start over.
2. This is one of those "you can't get anything right" situations. I've got an attorney I work with. He's very competent. But if he makes a SINGLE minor mistake with a client, he continues, more often than not, of making a series of errors in the paperwork. It just gets worse and worse. No matter how hard I try to stop it, it just blows up. Mini-Apples could be this. They ARE trying harder and then screw up royally again.
Sucks in either case. But someone should be losing their job over this one. Hell, I would say every time you injure or kill on a screwed up no-knock, you gotta fire the guy who authorized it. I bet they'd be extra extra extra sure at that point.
I mean, I would consider doctors to be pretty damned competent people. Think of the sharpie work they do BEFORE surgery to ensure they don't operate on the wrong leg or what-have-you. You'd think a DOCTOR and his/her ENTIRE STAFF wouldn't screw that up. But they do. Often enough they need a sharpie procedure BEFORE the procedure to ensure they are cutting into the right areas.
The police should have the same. Maybe more so.
Preventing the disposal of evidence isn't a valid purpose for a no-knock either.The use of no-knock warrants has been completely corrupted and the issuance of them needs to be stopped. The original purpose of the no-knock was to prevent drug dealers from disposing of evidence, usually by flushing it down the toilet. In this case the warrant was originally request by the St. Paul police investigating a homicide in their city. They requested a standard search warrant and, per usual for police requesting a warrant in another jurisdiction, asked the Minneapolis police to execute it. The Minneapolis police refused to execute it unless it was reissued as a no-knock (St. Paul has not used no-knocks for several years). In order to get Minneapolis police cooperation, St. Paul went ahead and changed it to a no-knock, even though there was no danger of evidence being destroyed.
There was no justifiable reason for a no-knock and the cops who executed it did a poor job. Their biggest fail was that they were all shouting at once. Other than the initial call out of “POLICE”, which the victim probably didn’t hear cause he was asleep, all you could hear was a bunch of shouting, nothing distinct. Then the one cop kicks the couch the guy is sleeping on completely upsetting him. The one thing you’ve got to admire is the victim's trigger discipline. In the stop action shot of the gun you can see he didn’t have his finger on the trigger but had it along the slide as you should when not on target.
This was an epic fail from the judge who approved the no-knock down to the cops who executed it.