A $700 gun needs a $1400 scope. An Angel told me this so I know it's true!
And how many people buy a 3000 dollar rifle and mount a 150.00 scope on it?
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A $700 gun needs a $1400 scope. An Angel told me this so I know it's true!
And how many people buy a 3000 dollar rifle and mount a 150.00 scope on it?
None of the semi auto battle rifles are worth a crap in the accuracy department in their bone stock state. Even when you pour thousands of dollars into them, the only one worth anything is the M1A. And at that point you could have bought two fully glassed precision bolt action rifles with what you will spend to make the M1A a sub-MOA tack driver, something bolt actions achieve rather easily.
I disagree, and I have different experience.
I've shot both a DPMS LR308 and a DSA FAL, both bone stock from the manufacturer 600+ yards with no difficult.
1K yards hasn't been too arduous either.
To the OP: If you'd like to fire any of mine, shoot me a PM. We can go to NF&G, they have a 600yd range we can use.
I'd like to see that. Got pics?And yet my CETME puts quarter sized groups at 100 yrds easily enough make it not much of a challenge.
Well, hell, if you are happy hitting a 6' x 6' plywood board, then yeah. They'll work.I disagree, and I have different experience.
I've shot both a DPMS LR308 and a DSA FAL, both bone stock from the manufacturer 600+ yards with no difficult.
1K yards hasn't been too arduous either.
Thanks.
Then I guess I'm going for the Bolt actions.
Off to the range. Be back on in 2 hours.
testing out my brother's piston upper
I disagree, and I have different experience.
I've shot both a DPMS LR308 and a DSA FAL, both bone stock from the manufacturer 600+ yards with no difficult.
1K yards hasn't been too arduous either.
To the OP: If you'd like to fire any of mine, shoot me a PM. We can go to NF&G, they have a 600yd range we can use.
The FNAR is also supposed to be very accurate.
Savages are great bang for the buck, but I wouldn't get a scout for a rifle that you want to go out to 500 yds.
It might not be the best choice for that distance, but it has potential.
And yet my CETME puts quarter sized groups at 100 yrds easily enough make it not much of a challenge.
I got $20 that says you can't.
I totally believe a lot of Savage rifles can do that off the shelf. I just don't think I'd want to do over 300 yards with an EER scope. Nor would I recommend a scout positioned scope for a first long-range rifle.
I got $200 on the table against it making 1 MOA at 600.
A group is only one shot,correct ?
Which piston upper did he get?
Also, I realize it's not on your current list but you're welcome to try my M1A. Just send me a PM.
Well, hell, if you are happy hitting a 6' x 6' plywood board, then yeah. They'll work.
However, when talking precision (6" or less at 600 yards) NOT FROM A BENCH, then I will bet easy money on some bone stock battle rifle not making it.
I wished I lived closer to NH. I'd like to make some easy money.
PS, there is a reason virtually every serious long range competitor in the country uses a bolt action rifle.
None of the semi auto battle rifles are worth a crap in the accuracy department in their bone stock state. Even when you pour thousands of dollars into them, the only one worth anything is the M1A. And at that point you could have bought two fully glassed precision bolt action rifles with what you will spend to make the M1A a sub-MOA tack driver, something bolt actions achieve rather easily.
Here's some of mine, as a well known fact: The US Military changed their sniper platform from a bolt action to a semi auto based commercially available rifle platform. They're taking long range shots, where life is on the line if they're not accurate.
specifically, an LWRC M6A2 upper, 14.7" barrel w/permanently attached A2 Flash Hider
And yes, I installed the hammer spring backwards... so it was causing light primer strikes. I got all butthurt that my ridiculously expensive upper/rifle wasn't performing well. But alas... all is good in the hood
I'll be posting pictures of the rifle in the gallery soon.
calsdad, the Army selected a Knight's Armament AR-type rifle and yes, they are very accurate. They are very accurate for the ver reason that makes .223 ARs the exception to the rule of semi auto rifle lack of accuracy: The barrel is free floated and there is no mechanical attachment between the bolt and barrel except at the receiver extension. Their barrel harmonics are almost exactly like that of a bolt action rifle.
All other semi auto rifles have pistons, cylinders, op-rods, etc, hanging off their barrels which makes accurizing them a nightmare.
A 1000 dollar tactical bolt action from a well respected maker (FN, Savage, Remington) is ready to shoot sub-moa right out of the box with ammo it likes. The only semi that can compete with that are .308 ARs and I doubt you can find one for $1000.
You need to spend double that amount to get any other semi auto to shoot that well. And a fair bit of luck.
Also, Greg is right about the volume of fire thing. Although a bolt action with a large capacity magazine can easily keep up with a semi when precision is required. And it is precision rifles we are talking about, right?
You know, I am not going to argue this.A friend of mine can shoot the side of a playing card at 600 yards, with his, right out of the box.
I'd call that a precision rifle, as you did above. I disagree though, in that my FAL can do the same thing.