Nice, i just toss my snowblower out and said feel free to used,knowinglly that they wont call the cop when i do stupid stuff around my house lol.
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3 neighbors dead following snow removal dispute in PA township
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Roadglide
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I live at the end of quiet culdesac on the quiet end of town. When I first moved in I politely told my neighbors to stay off my property unless invited and don’t do anything to lower my property value and we will get along fine. Every once and a while I vacuum the driveway as well. Six years zero problems 
Like with a canister or upright?I live at the end of quiet culdesac on the quiet end of town. When I first moved in I politely told my neighbors to stay off my property unless invited and don’t do anything to lower my property value and we will get along fine. Every once and a while I vacuum the driveway as well. Six years zero problems
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He sucks through a straw to assert dominance.Like with a canister or upright?
ldi
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I’d hope it’s the leaf blower/vacuum comboLike with a canister or upright?
Get creative. Most importantly go back inside and start brainstorming. It's not too difficult to make other people's lives miserable without them realizing it. Serve it ice cold
No shit, I was working in Belmont for a while. I used to see a lady that would vacuum her driveway every week with a shop vac. At the time I said to myself she's has to be the only effing person in this world that does that. I stand corrected. Now I know there are at least 2 . Buy a leaf blower. Blow that shit to the neighbors like everyone else does. Work smart not hard!!I live at the end of quiet culdesac on the quiet end of town. When I first moved in I politely told my neighbors to stay off my property unless invited and don’t do anything to lower my property value and we will get along fine. Every once and a while I vacuum the driveway as well. Six years zero problems
Roadglide
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Like with a canister or upright?
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Random story. I was plowing during last storm, and cleaning up end of driveway for a woman I work with. All of a sudden some dude came running out of house swearing at me.... so I just left the pile and drove off lol. Enjoy shoveling dude. I was carrying... so it was kind of an armed society = polite society kind of scenario
Yeah, that's a toughie.
But the rhythmic rasping sound you hear through the latter part of the video? That's him, struggling to breathe, laboring hard. It stops when the gunner comes over and gives hubby the coup de grace.
I doubt the husband was in very good condition to go charging toward the sound of the guns. We can shake our heads that he left his wife out there, but if I'm sprawled out lung-shot in my own driveway with a sucking chest wound, watching Death come sauntering out of his house with an AR and with no defensive mindset (demonstrably), who knows what I'd be thinking?
My grandmother used to do the same thing at her house in needham. She would have been out there with a broom and dust pan. Everything was perfect. I think that’s a lesson she learned during the great depression. Take care of your things.No shit, I was working in Belmont for a while. I used to see a lady that would vacuum her driveway every week with a shop vac. At the time I said to myself she's has to be the only effing person in this world that does that. I stand corrected. Now I know there are at least 2 . Buy a leaf blower. Blow that shit to the neighbors like everyone else does. Work smart not hard!!
Roadglide
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Last time someone pissed me off when I was plowing I just took their shit and drove away. Came back later that night on my way home in my personal car and drove head first into the snow bank at the corner of their driveway completely filling it up again. I’m sure they were late for work that morning.
I think all three of them deserved to be dead!
namedpipes
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JFC
Video here(of the shooting)
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/rico56st/status/1357340151479848963?fbclid=IwAR2uLuOsQxYCz9xTY4qiyiyZh72402vGuvJMA873Wu2InL5t7uPW3iY5aaM
3 neighbors dead following snow removal dispute in Philadelphia
A neighbor shot a husband and wife on Monday during a snow storm just before 9 a.m. They had apparently been feuding over where to deposit snow. James Goy, 50, and Lisa Goy, 48, were found dead on the street, per the AP. According to Fox 56, the Goys were cleaning off their vehicles and...news.yahoo.com
The bodies of James and Lisa Goy were found in the street
A dispute over snow disposal has left Pennsylvania residents dead.
Three Plains Township residents were left dead in what authorities are calling a murder-suicide. A neighbor shot a husband and wife on Monday during a snow storm just before 9 a.m. They had apparently been feuding over where to deposit snow.
According to Fox 56, the Goys were cleaning off their vehicles and throwing snow onto Jeffrey Spaide‘s, 47, property as he was shoveling. He asked them to stop but once they refused, they started arguing and cursing at each other. The neighbor who lives across the street then went inside and grabbed a gun. He apparently let off shots but the couple did not immediately flee. He then allegedly fired shots hitting the victims.
Spaide then went into his home and grabbed a handgun and shot the couple until the gun was empty. He then went back to his home and grabbed an AR-15-type rifle and shot two more rounds into each victim. About 15 to 20 shots were fired.
A neighbor who was shoveling his driveway saw the entire incident transpire and called 911. When officers arrived at the home to arrest Spaide, they heard a gunshot go off and found him dead when they entered.
Another neighbor Tyler Fisch had just moved into the neighborhood and was taken aback by what happened.
“It’s indescribable,” said Fisch.
“It’s pretty scary seeing it you know right next to you, so coming home to this. It’s an odd feeling for everyone,” he added.
The chief of the township police department Dale Binker said there was no record of the neighbors arguing in the past but there could have been a past dispute over “placement of snow in somebody’s yard.”
The Goys’ 15-year-old autistic son was in the home at the time of the shooting. He is now staying with his grandparents.
“One is in the middle of the street,” said Luzerne County First Assistant District Attorney Sam Sanguedolce in regards to the couple’s bodies. “The other is in between two parked cars. That is a husband and wife.”
The video appears to be gone. Not sure I'm upset about that :/
So I must stand by my suggestion to move all humanity into hives of manufactured double wides.
Mtn_Guy
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It’s winter time... wait until 2am and every one is a sleep, hot water on a windshield does wonders... of course, given the camera angle he would have had to sneak out of the back of his house, double around the block and approach from an angle “underneath” the camera’s field of view, but he could have got the job done.
He was married to her, maybe he thought she deserved it?
Looking at the pictures of the houses - and watching the original video again (looks like the original tweet is gone now) ...... a thought passed thru my head: the disparity in the houses these people lived in , might be an indication of what "the" problem was between these people. According to the article - the dead wife and husband had a 15 year old autistic son, and one of the follow-on articles went thru Spaide's (the shooter) history in detail. There was nothing mentioning that Spaide had a family, wife, kids - or any of that. Makes me wonder if something was going on there vis a vi the dead wife had some sort of bug up her ass because her and the kid are living in the "ratty little house" - meanwhile across the street Spaide - the SINGLE guy, is living in what looked like a pretty nice and well kept house.
You say " the ratty little house doesn't look upscale enough to warrant the entitlement attitude " , but I would argue that sanity and logic have nothing to do with it. The original video seems to show the wife actually being the more aggressive of the two , because the husband actually turns towards her while she's yelling at Spaide.
I've got to wonder if whatever shit was going down there between these people - wasn't being driven somehow by the disparity between their living situations.
I've seen more than a few cases where women start acting all weirdly aggressive - when they see some single guy just happily leading his life and apparently doing well financially - ESPECIALLY when their own situation is not so great.
This.
I had a truck totaled back in March by a guy who cut me off from the merge lane and then proceeded to brake check me until he caused a collision. When we pulled off to the side of the road, the last thing I did was get hostile or get in the guys face. The last thing I want is for something to get physical and some random person pull a gun and shoot me.
After a brief argument and assessment of the damage, I let him drive off. Then I called the cops and they got him for fleeing the scene. He lost his license for a year and I got a new truck.![[smile]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/001.gif "Smile [smile]")
Awesome.
I had a guy do something similar to that to me many years ago. Driving thru a shopping mall parking lot - and the guy just comes barreling out of one of the parking spot lanes - while I was driving down one of the travel lanes - and he T-boned my car square in the passenger side doors. The guy simply never stopped as he was exiting the lane he was in. I drove another couple hundred feet before I could pull into a spot that had a bunch of empty spaces. Driving that far was enough for me to know the car still drove straight - and since it was a college beater - I didn't really care much past that.
So Mr. IDontKnowHowToStop pulls up - and his brand new Monte Carlo is bleeding antifreeze all over the ground because the whole front end is all smashed in. He starts screaming at me that it was my fault because I was "going too fast". I looked at him and said " look dude, you t-boned me, I saw you coming out of the corner of my eye but before I could react you had already smashed into me - you never even stopped at the end of the lane - I'm actually willing to just drive away right now - this car is a piece of crap already - and it still drives straight , so past that I don't really care".
He got even more pissed off and started telling me again it was my fault - wanted insurance papers - the whole thing. I told him again " look this is your fault - and I'll exchange papers but all that's going to happen here is the insurance company is going to tell you what I'm telling you know - AND they're going to charge you a surcharge for it".
So we exchange papers - and he drives off - with the cooling fan making all sorts of metallic noises.
Turns out he slammed the side of my car so hard - neither of the passenger side doors would open any more. Next inspection time I had to pop rivet sheet metal right over the door openings so it would pass inspection - because of the rust.
A few months later - I got a check from HIS insurance company for $600 - which was $100 more than I paid for the car. About a month after getting the check - a friend and I were driving to school and stopped at a local convenience store. We come back out and get back into my now beat up car - and after we get in he says " what's up with that guy next to us - he's looking at you like he wants to kill you" . I hadn't even noticed the guy - so I looked over - and it was the same guy who had t-boned my car. His car was fixed up - and I had already gotten the check ....... so my prediction of " the insurance company is going to tell you the same thing I'm telling you right now" - had already come true, and maybe he had already gotten the surcharge notice.
Either way - I could tell just by looking at the guy he was pissed. At least this time he kept his mouth shut.
The problem with most people in my experience - is that they don't know how to phuck with other people - outside of just confronting them.
The other problem is that I think most people just want the crazy people to just go away. They're really not looking to invest huge amounts of time and energy engaging in some sort of guerilla campaign to "take out" the lunatic who is making their life miserable. They keep hoping the other person will come to their senses or whatever - and finally the whole thing explodes when the person finally can't take it any more because the lunatic has pushed them too far.
Soundwave
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Was driving home late at night listening to this. Made me think of all this.
View: https://youtu.be/matrK_WTAkQ
Sadly enough this came on shortly after
View: https://youtu.be/WuUM2mz8Q_s
View: https://youtu.be/matrK_WTAkQ
Sadly enough this came on shortly after
View: https://youtu.be/WuUM2mz8Q_s
New York Post has a video posted that shows some more of what happened just prior to the shooting, maybe I'm biased - but it looks like the husband and wife team were out in the street harassing the guy who did the shooting - and he's walking back to his house with a shovel.
nypost.com
Shooter in snow-shoveling murder-suicide was decorated Navy vet
The Pennsylvania man caught on video ruthlessly gunning down two neighbors during a snow-shoveling dispute Monday before turning the gun on himself was an engineer and a decorated Navy veteran. Jef…
nypost.com
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Many times you can settle disputes, even with irrational people, without raising the temperature of the situation. No one is saying to become a doormat whose afraid of their own shadow or a monk....but you sure as hell don't kill your neighbors before blowing your brains out because they puffed their chests and said some mean words
It took me a bit to realize this but looking back on how I handled things in the past, I've always come out with better results being the calmest one in the room. Contrast that to a time when my brother and I were driving through a nearby suburb as our car got pelted with an iceball. Not a huge deal given it wasn't the nicest car and didn't cause any significant damage but the kids just picked the wrong day at the wrong time for both of us.
We didn't even think twice before we started plowing the Jeep through the neighborhood looking for them. Turns out during our little neighborhood recon that several of the neighbors shoveling outside were not shy to express to us how much they hate those same troublemakers, enough to want to see us catch them.....I dunno what they were hoping for, that we were crazy enough to actually hurt them? Anyway, so the neighbors stake out on the side streets ready to warn us when they see them while we drive up and down the perpendicular street. We're talking full middle class suburb warfare over here.
Lets just say we scared the poor kids half to death when we caught them, including us scaling the Jeep over those parking spot blocks and driving halfway across a middle school baseball field after them. As high schoolers will do, they started out with the "what are you gonna do about it??" when we finally backed them into a corner, seeing that we weren't much older than them....well, it didn't take long till they realized they were physically outmatched by the two crazy short dudes and they shit their pants to the point of tears and apologies. It felt good at the time to "teach them a lesson".....but now I'm embarrassed I stooped that low (especially after a cop showed up and was like wtf guys, you couldn't just let it go??). Luckily no one got hurt or in trouble but we could have easily ended on the wrong side of a Glock if one of the parents was watching a f***in big ass Jeep chasing their kids across a snow covered baseball field lol.
It's just not worth it, there are other ways to deal with a little dent from some punk ass kids.....or a snow shoveling dispute. The guy could have recorded them and filed a complaint with the town. I would also say upper decker, bang the wife, keys on roof.....but she didn't seem like a valid candidate (God rest her soul
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Roadglide
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When I was a kid I was small weak and afraid of my own shadow. My parents worked 24/7 and I had no siblings. I got picked on mercilessly. It wasn't until I got bigger and learned to fight back did it stop but I never forgot the sense of hopelessness and despair it caused me at the time. Lucky for me I was more or less able to turn a negative into a positive but only after I was able to turn that corner. I'm a better person now because of it. Some people never get to that crossroad in life and end up like cornered animals. They have run out of options. They want it to stop but don't know how. I've seen it first hand. I've seen people lose it, flip the switch and go blank. The guy who shot his neighbors seems exactly like that type. To make matters worse it happened at his home. The guys castle and place he/we go to escape a bad day and recharge. End of the line for him probably. Probably felt like there was no escape. The shit we all deal with out in the street is bad enough. Imagine having to drag it home with you. Now there is always a better/smarter way to handle situations but for some, like that guy, that type of clarity probably was lost long ago. I don't condone what the guy did. It's a shitty all around situation for everyone involved that I wish never happened. But knowing the little we do about this I'm still finding it hard to get up much sympathy for the two neighbors.
fencer
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When you serve, unfortunately you see some shit. Most of it you just move on, but one time this guy showed up at the gate with his wife and kid in tow, saying he needed to go to America. They told him to beat it, so he grabbed his kid, held a gun to his head and said if we didn't let him in, he would shoot his kid. Kid was screaming, wife was screaming, we were yelling drop the gun. BANG. Then he put the gun to his own temple. BANG.
First I was shocked, then I was angry and after a while I felt pity. It was a tough lesson about how many in the world put such a low value on life.
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