Worcester Armory

loneranger said:
I respect your opinion. What I question is a judge deciding

1. this person is not dangerous. Her phone photo of her hand holding one of the stolen Army handguns. Unknown whether this particular handgun was recovered. If sold and used in a crime ...

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2. Not a flight risk
She was listed as a missing person by Boston Police last summer.
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/other_stories/documents/05145705.asp
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I don't know anything about he broad, just speaking in general terms.

In a perfect world, a judge would be the best person to make this kind of determination. This is Massachusetts though where it's "not illegal to be illegal"
 
If she was released it's bc she's cooperating and is a witness in the case against James. They have no reservations in federal court about detaining a defendant if the government requests detention. You can also see that's she's not charged with the same offenses so it looks like a deal is in place.
 
nstassel said:
If she was released it's bc she's cooperating and is a witness in the case against James. They have no reservations in federal court about detaining a defendant if the government requests detention. You can also see that's she's not charged with the same offenses so it looks like a deal is in place.
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Maybe a deal. The "making false statements" charge against her has not been mentioned lately but she is still charged with unlawful possession of a stolen firearm. If she was a felon possessing firearms it could mean up to 10 years*.

IMO her testimony is worth little, but her phone is a gold mine for prosecution.

* http://ne.fd.org/publications/firearms_cheatsheet.pdf
 
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nstassel said:
If she was released it's bc she's cooperating and is a witness in the case against James. They have no reservations in federal court about detaining a defendant if the government requests detention. You can also see that's she's not charged with the same offenses so it looks like a deal is in place.
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No one knows if she's cooperating, seeing hat she lied originally, who knows. Also, other than to find the six missing Sig 229's (i have not heard anything else about guns being found after the 10 which have been reported) but the definitely do not need her for the theft, etc. They have his DNA on the scene, they have his GPS pingng there for the hours of the theft, they have his rental car on camera, etc. Plus he has 3 counts of rape of a child he's already facing in state court, that's what the GPS bracelet was for, a condition of his bail.

They really don't need her for much. My guess is she got bail because it's not all that serious of a charge and she's small fish in the fed system. Heck, the facing rape of a child was granted bail by MA courts.
 
loneranger said:
Maybe a deal. The "making false statements" charge against her has not been mentioned lately but she is still charged with unlawful possession of a stolen firearm. If she was a felon possessing firearms it could mean up to 10 years*.

IMO her testimony is worth little, but her phone is a gold mine for prosecution.

* http://ne.fd.org/publications/firearms_cheatsheet.pdf
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The feds get a million people for lying to agents. No one should ever talk to the FBI without A lawyer, you never know if it's not a perjury trap. Ask scooter libby.
 
nstassel said:
I think the connection to James is where she's useful. Just an educated guess though.
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Probably. Also, they will want him and others to talk because they want the guns back as much as they want to charge the non central firgures. It's really embarrassing and they want to clean that up. Just imagine the story if one of those 229's is used in a crime ala Katie steinle's murder in san fran by a gun taken from a fed agent.
 
loneranger said:
Maybe a deal. The "making false statements" charge against her has not been mentioned lately but she is still charged with unlawful possession of a stolen firearm. If she was a felon possessing firearms it could mean up to 10 years*.

IMO her testimony is worth little, but her phone is a gold mine for prosecution.

* http://ne.fd.org/publications/firearms_cheatsheet.pdf
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Isn't there a mandatory minimum sentence for gun charges?



Hoover said:
No one knows if she's cooperating, seeing hat she lied originally, who knows. Also, other than to find the six missing Sig 229's (i have not heard anything else about guns being found after the 10 which have been reported) but the definitely do not need her for the theft, etc. They have his DNA on the scene, they have his GPS pingng there for the hours of the theft, they have his rental car on camera, etc. Plus he has 3 counts of rape of a child he's already facing in state court, that's what the GPS bracelet was for, a condition of his bail.

They really don't need her for much. My guess is she got bail because it's not all that serious of a charge and she's small fish in the fed system. Heck, the facing rape of a child was granted bail by MA courts.
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Aiding in the theft of and sale of stolen firearms? From an armory? Really? Not that serious? WHAT EXACTLY DOES IT TAKE TO "GET SERIOUS"?
 
Coyote33 said:
Isn't there a mandatory minimum sentence for gun charges?

Aiding in the theft of and sale of stolen firearms? From an armory? Really? Not that serious? WHAT EXACTLY DOES IT TAKE TO "GET SERIOUS"?
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It's relative. No one died, no one was injured, it's a property theft essentially. And she wasn't involve in the actual theft, she stored the stolen guns and lied to the feds (if what is reported is correct.)

In relation to a host of other crimes and charges people get, it's not all that serious.
 
Jan 13, 2016 Update
Three indicted by federal grand jury

James Morales, 34, of Cambridge, was indicted for being a felon in possession of firearms, possession of a machine gun, possession of stolen weapons, theft of government property, and conspiracy to possess stolen weapons.

Tyrone James, 28, and Ashley Bigsbee, 26, both Boston residents, were indicted for possession of stolen weapons, conspiracy to possess stolen weapons, and making false statements to federal agents. Tyrone James also was indicted on being a felon in possession of firearms.

All but 6 handguns have been recovered.

http://www.masslive.com/news/worcester/index.ssf/2016/01/worcester_1.html
 
Update
Feb 2, 2016: Tyrone James back in Court
forensic examiners recovered numerous previously-deleted text messages in which Tyrone James allegedly offered to arrange for the sale of weapons stolen from the Worcester Armory. For example, on Nov. 15, 2015 Tyrone texted one contact, “Bro hit me if u know anyone lookin for any blicks.” In a separate conversation, James allegedly negotiated the sale of three M-11 handguns for $900.
http://patch.com/massachusetts/shre...y-helped-sell-stolen-armory-guns-back-court-0

Mar 30,2016: Female defendant failed drug test
Ashlee Bigsbee, 26, formerly of Dorchester, had her bail revoked in U.S. District Court because she allegedly used marijuana in recent weeks, breaking her pretrial conditions.
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As she was escorted out of the courtroom in handcuffs, Ms. Bigsbee looked back to her mother, Deiana Bigsbee, and began to cry.

“I did not smoke. This is (expletive),” the young woman exclaimed as she walked out.

http://www.telegram.com/article/20160328/NEWS/160329232

As I understand, 6 M-11's are still missing.
 
Update: May 31, 2016

...five pistols (M11-A1 P228 Sig) still haven't been located.

"The FBI is still offering a reward up to $15,000 for information leading to the recovery of the remaining five handguns stolen from the Reserve," the FBI said in a statement Tuesday. "We're asking anyone with information about the location of these weapons to contact the FBI. We'd also like to urge anyone who may have access to these weapons to turn them in."

Essentially a Sig Sauer P228 with “US Government” etched on the side. The 9mm M11 pistol has an MSRP of $1,149- a hefty spike in quality and cost compared to the military’s standard-issue Beretta M9, which has an MSRP of $675.

The guns’ expensive price tag and military upgrades could make them highly sought after on the black market, making their recovery extremely difficult.


http://www.masslive.com/news/worcester/index.ssf/2016/05/5_handguns_stolen_from_us_army.html

http://popularmilitary.com/us-army-firearms-still-missing-fbi-offering-15000-reward/
 
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Article is a joke.

Cost difference has nothing to do with quality. It's all due to the "pedigree paperwork" required for gov't contracts!

As I posted on the article, a $0.50 Mil-Spec pointer knob was available locally from a TV/parts supplier in Groton, but I had to buy it with all the paperwork from a gov't approved contractor at a cost to EB of >$50.00 (and the US Navy paid much more than that I'm sure) It was an EMC intercom knob for a nuclear submarine. Same exact mfr/part number/Mil-Spec!
 
Len-2A Training said:
Article is a joke.

Cost difference has nothing to do with quality. It's all due to the "pedigree paperwork" required for gov't contracts!

As I posted on the article, a $0.50 Mil-Spec pointer knob was available locally from a TV/parts supplier in Groton, but I had to buy it with all the paperwork from a gov't approved contractor at a cost to EB of >$50.00 (and the US Navy paid much more than that I'm sure) It was an EMC intercom knob for a nuclear submarine. Same exact mfr/part number/Mil-Spec!
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This! Both ways.

I have a gov contract on some things, the controller for the dept says it cost them around $100 to process one payment. So if I bill them for a dollar, they send me a check and it costs the .gov $101. The other side of that is because of the .gov crap, I actually have to bill them $12 for that $1 part.
 
Essentially a Sig Sauer P228 with “US Government” etched on the side. The 9mm M11 pistol has an MSRP of $1,149- a hefty spike in quality and cost compared to the military’s standard-issue Beretta M9, which has an MSRP of $675.

The guns’ expensive price tag and military upgrades could make them highly sought after on the black market, making their recovery extremely difficult.
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[rolleyes] yeah, because some gang banger is going to pay extra because it's a Sig. Right. "Military upgrades" - is that the article author's BS or did someone feed them that crap?
 
Update 6/6/16

http://www.masslive.com/news/worcester/index.ssf/2016/07/court_records_show_at_least_3.html

... As the three charged head toward a trial, prosecutors have detailed their evidence in court filings.

Among the evidence is a list of at least three unindicted co-conspirators – people suspected of participating in the conspiracy but not indicted on charges. From James cellphone, prosecutors list another four possible co-conspirators identified only by nicknames.

Evidence in the case includes forensically-recovered content from the cell phones of James, Bigsbee and one of the uncharged individuals.

Photographs, toll records and surveillance video in the area of the burglary are also included in the prosecution's evidence.

A prosecution filing in federal court last week notes there is additional video surveillance and DNA evidence found at the site of the burglary soon to be added to the evidence.

The final status conference before trial for Morales, James and Bigsbee is set to take place on July 21. Previous final conferences have been canceled and rescheduled due to additional evidence discovery.

Both Morales and James remain in custody. Bigsbee was released into a drug treatment program after she previously had her bail revoked for testing positive for marijuana, according to federal court records.
 
loneranger said:
At federal level no. Here's the ATF listing sentences given from a sample of criminal cases.
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While this isn't true in bold face, in reality there's a bunch of rather complex sentencing schemes that federal judges usually obey. Even if the judge wants to go easy on them many of them will obey these schemes rather sharply. In order for the feds to let them off in any huge way, charges would have to be
dropped by the USA/AUSA. That's why certain hoi-polloi types, like Felon Finneran, only got drummed up on weak charges despite probably having committed a ton of felonies. (well, there's also the possibility that the feds ****ed up the investigation, which limited the charges, but I doubt it...) If say for example, Finneran, had racked up a score, with the federal framework it would have been difficult for the judges to go easy on him given those guidelines and precedents for sentencing.

It's also the same reason someone like David Olofson (the guy with the illegal AR15 that kinda, sorta tried to go full auto but really didn't) ends up doing jail for a couple of years or whatever it was- Because even if the judge wanted to go easy on him, there's literally limitations to what they're supposed to do WRT sentencing. This has the effect of basically being a mandatory minimum when it comes out in the wash.

-Mike
 
Prosecutor: One of 16 stolen firearms used in Boston armed robbery

Update Nov 14, 2016 (Worcester Telegram)

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Assistant U.S. Attorney Mark J. Grady told defense lawyer Blake J. Rubin that one of the weapons “turned up” in an armed robbery in Boston in January. The remark was made in response to a question posed by Mr. Rubin regarding the location of the weapons still missing from the heist.

Tuesday marks a year since six M-4 rifles and 10 handguns were stolen from a locked armory inside the Lincoln W. Stoddard U.S. Army Reserve Center on North Lake Avenue. The FBI in January said all but six handguns had been recovered; they revised that count to five pistols in June but declined to elaborate on where or how another weapon had been found.

FBI spokeswoman Kristen M. Setera said Monday her agency continues to offer a $15,000 reward to anyone with information on the whereabouts of five missing weapons.

“We’d also like to urge anyone who may have access to these weapons to turn them in,” Ms. Setera wrote in an email.

Three people are facing charges related to the break-in, and their cases appear to be moving toward resolution.

The government alleges James W. Morales, a former Army reservist, broke into the center several days after going there to retrieve his discharge papers. Authorities allege that in addition to carrying out the thefts within range of a camera that caught him going to and from the building with duffel bags, Mr. Morales on the night of the crime was wearing an electronic monitoring bracelet imposed following his indictment on child rape charges.

Mr. Grady told U.S. District Court Judge Timothy S. Hillman Monday that Mr. Morales is “definitely leaning toward a plea” in the armory thefts and that he expected to have a proposal sent out to his lawyer by the end of the month.

Also charged in the case are Ashley Bigsbee and Tyrone James, a couple who allegedly helped Mr. Morales sell the stolen firearms. Mr. Grady said he anticipates Mr. James will change his plea, and Mr. Rubin, who represents Ms. Bigsbee, scheduled on Monday a change-of-plea hearing for her on Dec. 13.

Mr. Rubin said after the hearing that his client has not reached a plea agreement with the government but wishes to change her plea anyhow.

“If involved at all, she may be guilty of befriending the wrong people, and being with them at the wrong time,” Mr. Rubin said.

Authorities have said Ms. Bigsbee introduced Mr. Morales to Mr. James, who allegedly helped Mr. Morales sell five of the stolen guns in exchange for two of them.

Ms. Bigsbee was released after her arraignment but was put in jail after failing marijuana and alcohol tests in violation of probation. Her lawyer said she was released again to a treatment facility this summer and has not flunked any more tests.

“She’s doing fantastic,” said Mr. Rubin, adding that she is living in a sober house and in the process of starting a job.

Ms. Bigsbee is charged with conspiracy to sell stolen weapons, possession of stolen firearms and making false statements. Mr. James is facing the same charges and an additional charge of being a felon in possession of a firearm.

Mr. Morales is charged with theft of government property, being a felon in possession of a firearm, possession of a machine gun, possession of stolen firearms and conspiracy to sell stolen weapons. Both he and Mr. James are in federal custody awaiting trial.


http://www.telegram.com/news/201611...tolen-from-worcester-armory-was-used-in-crime
 
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Tyrone James, Ashley Bigsbee plead guilty. Morales case continued.

Update Dec 13, 2016

Tyrone James, 29, and Ashley Bigsbee, 27, both of Dorchester, appeared in U.S. District Court in Worcester on Tuesday and entered guilty pleas. Both were charged with conspiracy with a former Army reservist to sell stolen weapons, possession of stolen firearms and making false statements in the theft of 16 weapons from the Lincoln Stoddard U.S. Army Reserve Center armory in Worcester last year. James was also charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm.

James’s sentencing is scheduled for March 16, 2017, and Bigsbee’s sentencing for March 15, 2017.

The former Army reservist, 35-year-old James Walker Morales, who authorities said broke into the Lincoln W. Stoddard U.S. Army Reserve Center armory by cutting a hole through the vault's ceiling remains in custody. Morales did not appear in court Tuesday and had his case continued until a later date.

"Morales is facing charges of theft of government property, possession of stolen guns and unlawful possession of a machine gun.

Investigators discovered that six M-4 rifles and 10 M11 (9mm) pistols were stolen from the armory in November. Earlier this year, authorities said all six of the M-4 rifles had been recovered. Federal prosecutor Mark Grady said Tuesday there are four pistols that haven't been located."

More information at sources
http://www.masslive.com/news/worcester/index.ssf/2016/12/ashley_bigsbee_tyrone_james_pl_1.html
http://patch.com/massachusetts/worcester/2-involved-guns-stolen-worcester-armory-face-sentencing
 

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