Or, just maybe, the club does not enjoy half inch holes in their expensive steel targets.
That’s a fair point. 338 & fitty also tend to take down targets by destroying the supports a lot more often than .308 or the 6mm cartridges, in my experience.
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Or, just maybe, the club does not enjoy half inch holes in their expensive steel targets.
Are there steel targets there? Supplied by the club?Or, just maybe, the club does not enjoy half inch holes in their expensive steel targets.
Are there steel targets there? Supplied by the club?
I ask the questions because nobody is coming up with any answers as to where this is.
Unfortunately there are too many morons that can't shoot, so I can't blame a place like Granby for having those rules.If it is indeed Granby then yes and then I’d also understand some of the rules, due to the legal work that went into opening. Well, re opening. And then the rules would also make sense in terms of gun ignorant MA idiots dictating them.
Unfortunately there are too many morons that can't shoot, so I can't blame a place like Granby for having those rules.
It rules out a lot of idiots. While it isn't ideal for people that want to shoot iron sights or BPCR, it is their range, their rules.
It’s sad that you wish so much for a club to fail. Especially since this club is actively trying to grow the sport of long range shooting.
If your gun (or you) are not capable of shooting that far then why the hell should you be?
We as shooters are responsible for every round that leaves our gun. We are also held liable for all the dumbasses who think they can just Kentucky holdover there shit to a grand.
I wish I was closer to a 1000 yard range.
Were the original caliber restrictions because the backstop/berm couldn't handle them? If so, then why not help come up with a solution or volunteer to build it up?
And let's be honest, the other requirements were probably put in place out of necessity from people who had done stupid things and put the club in jeopardy.
Does the name have 6 letters, starts with a "G" and ends with a "Y"?
After all the BS they have been through, I agree with a few things and disagree with others. Like shooting 3 targets, the targets should be 100, 200 and 300 yards. The purpose should be to see if the person can handle the gun or is one of those morons that would show up to a car shoot and couldn't hit a car at 100 yards.
After they show they are competent, walk them out to 1K yards so they know the elevation required.
That is how Reading does it. Shoot at 200, then walk to 600 and they make sure you are on paper. They want to make sure you are not an idiot.
Or, just maybe, the club does not enjoy half inch holes in their expensive steel targets.
If it is indeed Granby then yes and then I’d also understand some of the rules, due to the legal work that went into opening. Well, re opening. And then the rules would also make sense in terms of gun ignorant MA idiots dictating them.
My apologies, I wasn't specific - it was "minimum 16x scope"I guess I understand some of that, but why would they limit to 16x magnification? That seems very arbitrary to say the least.
??? I'm going to need that explained to me, I guess. Or maybe I'm misinterpreting what you mean.You can't simultaneously claim to want your club to grow and then gatekeep people who are just coming in. Requiring proficiency at 1000 yards when some have never been able to shoot further than 300 is ridiculous. Show that you understand ballistics in it's most basic form, show you can operate your firearm safely, and if you never want to bother shooting further than 400 or 500 yards, why is that a problem?
You can't simultaneously claim to want your club to grow and then gatekeep people who are just coming in. Requiring proficiency at 1000 yards when some have never been able to shoot further than 300 is ridiculous. Show that you understand ballistics in it's most basic form, show you can operate your firearm safely, and if you never want to bother shooting further than 400 or 500 yards, why is that a problem? The lease is up in less than 25 years, hopefully they figure out before then, since they are down below 150 members, Was 300+ 4 years ago. They had a really healthy membership roll till the guy who can only shoot airguns alienated half the members for a vocal friend group.
I rather support one of the other two clubs, and I do.
It was because .50 BMG is what got people's pants in a wad to begin with (neighbors who built homes in proximity to the range but built before there was any inkling of a 1000 yard range). .338 I can't speak to. To be fair to the neighbors, pre-long range when I am at my parent's place literally exactly 1 mile from the short range shooting line, I can't hear if people are shooting. The original range is dug into the side of a hill. Noise doesn't carry much. Since the long range, you can hear shots clearly, but not loudly. For the 20 homes ranging 1000 feet to 1500 feet away, I can imagine it's nuts.
This would be the exact way I would think it would be done. Show due diligence, responsibility, and competence can come with time.
For qualification, club provides targets. Rest of the time, it's BYOT.
They spent more time fixing their own wiring because they had the "local club handyman" do the wiring for the shooting line and manage to do so badly a job, and continue to f*** it up, that not only was the range shut down for actual legitimate safety concerns, it was down for longer than the C&D order from the neighbors.
My apologies, I wasn't specific - it was "minimum 16x scope"
Most of that guy’s rant is silly. But I’d actually be using lower magnification (~12x evewithout a spotter. So I can actually see my hits if the wind isn’t what I estimated.16x at the lower limit doesnt sound unreasonable esp if you dont have a spotter.
You can't simultaneously claim to want your club to grow and then gatekeep people who are just coming in. Requiring proficiency at 1000 yards when some have never been able to shoot further than 300 is ridiculous. Show that you understand ballistics in it's most basic form, show you can operate your firearm safely, and if you never want to bother shooting further than 400 or 500 yards, why is that a problem? The lease is up in less than 25 years, hopefully they figure out before then, since they are down below 150 members, Was 300+ 4 years ago. They had a really healthy membership roll till the guy who can only shoot airguns alienated half the members for a vocal friend group.
I rather support one of the other two clubs, and I do.
It was because .50 BMG is what got people's pants in a wad to begin with (neighbors who built homes in proximity to the range but built before there was any inkling of a 1000 yard range). .338 I can't speak to. To be fair to the neighbors, pre-long range when I am at my parent's place literally exactly 1 mile from the short range shooting line, I can't hear if people are shooting. The original range is dug into the side of a hill. Noise doesn't carry much. Since the long range, you can hear shots clearly, but not loudly. For the 20 homes ranging 1000 feet to 1500 feet away, I can imagine it's nuts.
This would be the exact way I would think it would be done. Show due diligence, responsibility, and competence can come with time.
For qualification, club provides targets. Rest of the time, it's BYOT.
They spent more time fixing their own wiring because they had the "local club handyman" do the wiring for the shooting line and manage to do so badly a job, and continue to f*** it up, that not only was the range shut down for actual legitimate safety concerns, it was down for longer than the C&D order from the neighbors.
My apologies, I wasn't specific - it was "minimum 16x scope"
That's what I want to know alsoAre you certain the qualifying targets are 2 MOA? And at what ranges are they placed for the qualification?
If one of the targets is at 1,000 yards, and it's a windy day, good luck with that.Most of that guy’s rant is silly. But I’d actually be using lower magnification (~12x evewithout a spotter. So I can actually see my hits if the wind isn’t what I estimated.
You could always attend a match there to obtain your rifle’s dope on the 1k yard range.
Really, your rant is like a 2/10. The min 16x was kind of silly, but they’ve changed it.
Are you certain the qualifying targets are 2 MOA? And at what ranges are they placed for the qualification?
Yup. Looking at Granby's website, it claims "roughly" 2 MOA. But you also get 10 shots to make your 3 hits per target.If one of the targets is at 1,000 yards, and it's a windy day, good luck with that.
-No 338 or 50bmg because the steel and stands aren't rated for it...yet.... Thicker steel is coming.Have a 1000 yard range in my town that for the longest time had some plainly stupid requirements and exclusions. No .338 Lapua Magnum, no .50 BMG, mandatory 16x power scope. They finally removed their head from their large intestine but have left it firmly in the anus, as they got rid of the caliber restrictions, the scope power requirements, but still require a scope, a range finder, bipod with rear bag, and a ballistic calculator with verified data. In order to be allowed to shoot at the range, you need to "qualify" which is being able to hit 3 targets at 3 different ranges 3 times with 10 shots at each range. The targets are 2 MOA. So if you don't have a 100% dialed in 1 MOA gun, you aren't going to be shooting there. Like iron sights for the challenge or just because? Can't shoot. Have a gun that exceeds the 300 yards of the normal rifle range but it (or you) can't reach out to 800+ yards. Not allowed to shoot.
All the down to earth people left there, and all that's left is a bunch of snobs. Some places deserve to fail. thankfully, 3/4 of the way through their 99 year lease on the land, then hopefully it can go to some one else.
at one point rules were written for the use without a solid understanding of what was really necessary and its all in the process of being updated.I guess I understand some of that, but why would they limit to 16x magnification? That seems very arbitrary to say the least.
the 1k targets are a full size IPSC with a massive berm. Your elevation will be driven by your dope so the bullet should spash left and right of the plate if its super windy.If one of the targets is at 1,000 yards, and it's a windy day, good luck with that.
the club supplies steel. There is actually a ton of it out there. At distance shooting smaller calibers lighter plates are used to allow for them to move when hit. They are going to get heavier steel for more energetic rounds ive been told.Are there steel targets there? Supplied by the club?
I ask the questions because nobody is coming up with any answers as to where this is.
Targets are at least 2 moa and distances are unknown til the day of depending on lighting and the ability for the spotters to see misses on a berm. You should be able to show up, be told a distance, compare that to a dope chart, and then engage those targets.Are you certain the qualifying targets are 2 MOA? And at what ranges are they placed for the qualification?
Targets are at least 2 moa and distances are unknown til the day of depending on lighting and the ability for the spotters to see misses on a berm. You should be able to show up, be told a distance, compare that to a dope chart, and then engage those targets.
Oh, it’s a berm there now? When I went for a match last year, the little ~1k cutout back there was all vegetation and difficult to see missed impacts. Real fun though and I’m glad Granby is around.the 1k targets are a full size IPSC with a massive berm. Your elevation will be driven by your dope so the bullet should spash left and right of the plate if its super windy.
you aren't wrong but we know our MV, BC, environmental conditions, twist rate, scope height over bore, and we can take confirmed data from a 100yd zero, and an impact somewhere between 300-600 and extrapolate that out to just about any distance. You would then confirm that calculation and it would then go from theoretical dope to actual.It all seems reasonable. And it’s nice to hear the 650 yards is available at the lower level rifle line. Thanks for sharing all this info.
Slight pedantic pet peeve of mine though, it’s not DOPE until you’ve engaged those ranges and written down those data. If you’re bringing ballistic calculations, that’s a good starting point to get you real close or even first shot hits, but it’s not dope.
that whole cut is set to get brush hogged and cleaned up.Oh, it’s a berm there now? When I went for a match last year, the little ~1k cutout back there was all vegetation and difficult to see missed impacts. Real fun though and I’m glad Granby is around.
"never been able to" meaning never have been on a range that exceeds 300.
-No 338 or 50bmg because the steel and stands aren't rated for it...yet.... Thicker steel is coming.
-Qualifications are to demonstrate your ability to understand, calculate, and demonstrate dope. Ballistic apps like 4dof are free.
-Lower level rifle line stretches out to 650 without a certification
-Irons are great but you are accountable for where they go and I don't know that it would be practical or safe at a grand but from the lower line you should be able to do well with it.
-range finder is a given with targets moving from time to time. If it were a fixed position it would be a different story but you should know how far a plate is when you send a round at it. I would say the bipod and bag are optional really but will yield more consistent results. Hell some just shoot off a tripod.
-If you can't hit a 2 moa target at 4/6/800yds you have no business trying to stretch out to further. Spend some time practicing to 650 on the lower line and then qual for the upper.
Its actually a big part of most clubs qualification stuff. You should have equipment on hand to see hits at the distance you are shooting at. Usually this is a quality spotting scope.to put all that rather silly qualification quarrel aside - how do the people shooting at granbys 1000yds deal with targets?
would everyone bring their own electric tracking system to be able to see the impacts, or people literally just shoot then drive down to targets to see the results, then drive back? it is probably not very crowded there, i would think, but, still, can be a pita, as i bet you cannot see much from a 1000, of where the impacts were.
or does club have any embedded targeting system there to rent or use? i would guess not?
i have an idea of what to try next time i get to a range - as i have several mavic drones, i think a mavic mini drone if placed on the ground nearby the target - it is unlikely it will get hit, but it should be capable to transmit the video of the target well enough, gotta try it. the bigger one, a zoom version would be even better, but i think even the small one should suffice - to see the bullet holes. when it just sits on the ground and not running motors its battery lasts quite a long time.
Holes?i would think you will not see impact holes at a 1000yds with no scope of any kind. may be, and big may be - at 600yds, but not at a klick distance
no, i am talking about regular ipsc 42"x42" paper thing.
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