VPC: More Gun Deaths than Car Deaths

[MaverickNH]

Public health leaders ‘afraid to say guns’

The usual suspects, with Josh Sugarman from VPC and David Hemenway from Harvard, railing on about how gun deaths exceeded car death in 10 states in 2009, and how there is a lot of public funding to study car safety but little for gun safety. David Kopel was given a token 5% of the word count to provide "balance" to the article. The statistics look pretty damning:

State Gun Car
Alaska 104 84
Arizona 856 809
Colorado 583 565
Indiana 735 715
Michigan 1095 977
Nevada 406 255
Oregon 417 394
Utah 260 256
Virginia 836 827
Wash 623 580

But Truth About Guns debunked this by showing the relative rates when you take out suicides - still less than a 1-to-50 rate of Gun vs Car deaths, and less than 1-to-100 rate of Gun vs Car injury.



Just a pack of lies that, unfortunately, the media picks up and amplifies.

 

[Scarecrow]

**** 'em.

 

[NeverMiss]

I actually heard this conversation on a Satillite radio show last night. Now, forgive me, but I was listening to Dr. Laura with the wife in the car. She ranted on for about 5 minutes on this and how cars actually kill more people than guns, and that we should ban cars! She also said that more people are killed in thier home doing daily chores than guns. She joked that we should ban housework! I was amazed. I really thaught she would be one of those crazy moonbats, but boy was I wrong!
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[Horrible]

Public health leaders ‘afraid to say guns’

The usual suspects, with Josh Sugarman from VPC and David Hemenway from Harvard, railing on about how gun deaths exceeded car death in 10 states in 2009, and how there is a lot of public funding to study car safety but little for gun safety. David Kopel was given a token 5% of the word count to provide "balance" to the article. The statistics look pretty damning:

State Gun Car
Alaska 104 84
Arizona 856 809
Colorado 583 565
Indiana 735 715
Michigan 1095 977
Nevada 406 255
Oregon 417 394
Utah 260 256
Virginia 836 827
Wash 623 580

But Truth About Guns debunked this by showing the relative rates when you take out suicides - still less than a 1-to-50 rate of Gun vs Car deaths, and less than 1-to-100 rate of Gun vs Car injury.

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Just a pack of lies that, unfortunately, the media picks up and amplifies.

What about the other 40 states?

Also, HOW can they count suicides? If guns didn't exist, these people would be jumping off of a bridge or slitting their wrists!

 

[Jose]

Let's mingle accidents with intentional crime. That will yield good date.

 

[DJF3864]

That's the problem with stats, you can make them look however you want. Takes digging to look at their assumptions and how they grouped circumstances.

 

[MaverickNH]

Let's mingle accidents with intentional crime. That will yield good date.

How many of those accidents are criminals shooting themselves or one another? Hmmm...there's a reality show plot in there somewhere.

What if the "streets" were flooded with those James Bond style Walther PPK pistols that shoot backwards unless the trigger is pushed?

 

[Baystatesuks]

Statistics are merely one type of lie.

 

[Jose]

Honestly, who GAF about what the VPC says, thinks, or does? They are utterly irrelevant in the debate. Not that there is anything to debate, anyway.

 

[bill o]

If you want to mess with the director of the VPC, call him up and ask him to transfer a handgun into DC for you. He is an FFL, after all.

 

[ShadeWPI]

Honestly, who GAF about what the VPC says, thinks, or does? They are utterly irrelevant in the debate. Not that there is anything to debate, anyway.

The media does, they keep dredging up their garbage and thrusting it into the faces of the misinformed masses. Yes, there's little traction for it now, but the more crud they push onto it, the more likely it will be that something will stick.

It was think kind of garbage data and media reporting that gave the 1994 congress the political will to pass an assault weapons ban. Don't kid yourself into thinking that they'd do so again if they thought they could do it without getting thrown-out by the voters at the next election as it happen in 1996. The 1996 congressional upheaval and the number of democratic senators currently vying for reelection in pro-gun / pro-hunting states is exactly why we haven't seen public movement on gun control during the last 3 years.

 

[TomH]

Why do the "stats" matter either way? The 2nd doesn't say "the right be bear arms shall not be infringed unless data shows there are too many deaths."

 

[ShadeWPI]

Why do the "stats" matter either way? The 2nd doesn't say "the right be bear arms shall not be infringed unless data shows there are too many deaths."

The same reason you can't yell fire in a crowded theater despite a right to free speech. Because enough of a majority have capitulated to the idea that reasonable regulation is not an infringement, and as public oppinion sways, so does "reasonable"

 

[cekim]

Honestly, who GAF about what the VPC says, thinks, or does? They are utterly irrelevant in the debate. Not that there is anything to debate, anyway.

A thousands times this - stop clicking on this BS.

 

[MaverickNH]

A thousands times this - stop clicking on this BS.

I'll agree that most would do better reading GunFacts rather than keeping up with the crap VPC spews with regularity. That said, the anti-gun organizations, researchers, media and authors need to be continually tamped down, or "common sense gun laws" might just become common sense to the public.

 

[Radtekk]

That will yield good date.

I find Tequila usually yields a good "date" also...

 

[Big Daddy 45acp]

I find Tequila usually yields a good "date" also...

Me too. Tequila makes her clothes fall off...

 

[rkwjunior]

Total Car related deaths..2009 -33,963
Alcohol accounts for 32% of car deaths
Total alcohol related deaths 79,000 to 85,000.

Total Gun related Deaths..2010 -31,513
Suicide accounts for nearly half the gun deaths.

Maybe they should start worrying about Alcohol. Thats not an Amendment is it????

Sorry guys , were gonna have to start using our mojo!!!!!!

 

[Jose]

The same reason you can't yell fire in a crowded theater despite a right to free speech. Because enough of a majority have capitulated to the idea that reasonable regulation is not an infringement, and as public oppinion sways, so does "reasonable"

You really, really need to pay attention to legislative developments in states other than your own.

If you did, you would know better than to keep crying about the sky falling.

Here in Ohio, for a personal knowledge example, we've been rolling BACK gun control for almost seven straight years.

Dude, the VPC DOES NOT MATTER.