Trump’s opposition will not thank him for any “gun control” he might support.
Conflict is their bread and butter...
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What a sleazy bitch.
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Trump’s opposition will not thank him for any “gun control” he might support.
Conflict is their bread and butter...
:emoji_tiger:
You're welcome to come shoot with me anytime. My ammo, my guns. Stay in school and shoot too.
I appreciate your generosity. While I certainly have some ammo to shoot and train with, I’ve nowhere near what most would consider a starting point. I’m not overly worried, yet. However, the realization that certain events and election cycles can and have previously impacted ammunition availability, caught me slightly off guard. It was enough to prompt me to do an actual inventory to determine exactly where I stand. I don’t think it’s carelessness, as someone mentioned, but perhaps naïveté. I might regret asking but, if things get ugly, what are we talking about? Empty Walmart cases and sky-high prices? Do people just start hoarding everything on the just in case? Can’t say I blame them. If I had the means, I’d probably do the same thing. Rational conversation would appearto take a back seat after events like we’ve just had.
I agree..........now Mr.Bloomberg walks into the room.....I'm going the other way on this. There will be a lot of shouting, lot of anger, lot of momentum for new gun laws and protests against gun owners from the left. Though I don't think it's going to go very far. As with other times this has happened it will eventually fall the last page of the news and fizzle out. There are a lot of grass root Rs from deep south states that constituents would string up if they voted for gun control. Because of that I don't see the Senate voting for any major gun control bills. It's basically political suicide for many politicians. If there is anything we can count on it's the ability for a politician to only be concerned about keeping his/her seat in Congress.
Trump backs 'red flag' gun laws. What do they actually do?In his response to mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton, Ohio, President Trump called for an expansion of state laws that temporarily prevent someone in crisis from buying or possessing a gun.
A flurry of states have recently passed such laws, known as extreme risk protection orders. They allow a court to intervene when someone shows warning signs of impending violence. Although the laws are widely supported by gun control groups and mental health advocates, others note that the measures alone won’t solve the nation’s gun violence epidemic.
Speaking Monday from the White House, Trump said the shooter in the Parkland, Fla., massacre last year “had many red flags against him, and yet nobody took decisive action; nobody did anything. … We must make sure that those judged to pose a grave risk to public safety do not have access to firearms, and that if they do, those firearms can be taken through rapid due process.”
Among the solutions floated by President Donald Trump: red flag gun laws.
"We must make sure that those judged to pose a grave risk to public safety do not have access to firearms and that if they do, those firearms can be taken through rapid due process," Trump said in televised remarks from the White House on Monday morning. "That is why I have called for red flag laws, also known as extreme risk protection orders."
The President did not elaborate further on what he meant in Monday's speech, so it is not clear if he was proposing a federal red flag law, endorsing an expansion of red flag laws across more states or simply advocating for better enforcement of the laws currently on the books.
If you go on these drugs, you get Yellow Flagged (a pause of 3 or 6 months) until you get stabilized and can buy a gun.
I appreciate your generosity. While I certainly have some ammo to shoot and train with, I’ve nowhere near what most would consider a starting point. I’m not overly worried, yet. However, the realization that certain events and election cycles can and have previously impacted ammunition availability, caught me slightly off guard. It was enough to prompt me to do an actual inventory to determine exactly where I stand. I don’t think it’s carelessness, as someone mentioned, but perhaps naïveté. I might regret asking but, if things get ugly, what are we talking about? Empty Walmart cases and sky-high prices? Do people just start hoarding everything on the just in case? Can’t say I blame them. If I had the means, I’d probably do the same thing. Rational conversation would appearto take a back seat after events like we’ve just had.
Trump’s opposition will not thank him for any “gun control” he might support.
Conflict is their bread and butter...
:emoji_tiger:
Lol.
On whose say-so? Those doctors most NESers won’t even talk about guns with?
Now you’re trusting them to put their necks out and certify someone can carry? No gun owner would ever seek mental health treatment again.
Linking a civil right to your mental health status is a VERY slippery slope. I get that mental health is a component of all these “solutions,” but I’m opposed to anything that would prevent people from seeking help if they need it.
And I’m not sure there’s a way to reconcile the two.
You’re missing the point. Entirely...I have no problem with you poking back. lol.You're comparing apples to oranges here. Bump stocks are not ammunition, or guns. I also doubt that flashlights will ever be banned, or the way that we hold them in place.
Why would you buy a shotgun, that causes you to need to buy a extension tube, in the first place, when you can buy one that has a extended magazine installed on it from the factory? My Mossberg 590 A1, Remington 870 and Benelli M1Super 90 were all manufactured with extended magazines. Obviously they aren't that hard to find. I have three and all from different manufacturers.
Lol.
On whose say-so? Those doctors most NESers won’t even talk about guns with?
Now you’re trusting them to put their necks out and certify someone can carry? No gun owner would ever seek mental health treatment again.
Linking a civil right to your mental health status is a VERY slippery slope. I get that mental health is a component of all these “solutions,” but I’m opposed to anything that would prevent people from seeking help if they need it.
And I’m not sure there’s a way to reconcile the two.
That is a problem, agreed. But doctors handing out serious meds like candy is too. Some of these have known side effects of thoughts of harm to self and others. Relying on a doctor to get permission is a bad idea - but the amount of people on these meds that do stupid harmful things is too.
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When you threaten to murder or rape & cut up people and you get suspended for a year in school - do you think that should be in your file? Ohh that's right, we don't want to ruin their lives and the education to incarceration train - like the Florida idiot.
You’re missing the point. Entirely...
To circle back to video games: the amount of shit talking and violence committed in the games I’ve played would convince anyone that I should be in a mental hospital due to my exposure to it. And yet here I am, a normal-ish, working, tax paying, adult.
The path of least resistance to a safe society is zero weapons, so that's their default setting.
It's that old security vs liberty debate.
Many people (sheep, mostly) want a secure (or "safe") society, first and foremost. The path of least resistance to a safe society is zero weapons, so that's their default setting. But that's not a free society, and people like me prefer to trade some safety for a bit more liberty.
Mental health complicates that, in the sense that a lot of people truly are disordered and really do benefit from treatment, including drugs. Others don't. I don't expect psychiatrists to be mind-reading supermen and know that in advance, which is why my interim solution is what 10th advocates above: civil defense, taught and reinforced at all levels.
That's not a perfect fix either, but giving the maximum amount of people the option to defend themselves strikes me as the only answer that blends safety with liberty. Plenty of people in mental health treatment are probably able to be perfectly safe with guns, including carry, if they're responding to their treatment properly. But, again, there's never going to be a way to be certain. 100% certainty is what antis think is possible, and it ain't.
As for idle threats in schools? That's just it. The vast majority are idle, and nobody's got the resources to track every twitter post to figure out which ones are something more. Schools try; the law even requires it. But it's impossible, so again, SA is the only answer right now until we come up with something better.
Sucks.
Ehh, better overall diagnosis than decades ago paired with people not hiding their ailments or faking being normal anymore. Yet at the same time there is more misdiagnosing for the sake of just feeding people’s kids with pills so they sit through a lecture.The real question to be asked is why is there so much mental illness? Ther HAS to be a reason for it as it was never as prevalent as it is now. I reject out of hand the notion that "its just noticed more now"...,bullshit! It's not anywhere near the same percentage of people as it was at any time in the past by a long shot.
The real question to be asked is why is there so much mental illness? Ther HAS to be a reason for it as it was never as prevalent as it is now. I reject out of hand the notion that "its just noticed more now"...,bullshit! It's not anywhere near the same percentage of people as it was at any time in the past by a long shot.
Here's a question for our educators
Why whenever there's a school shooting that its a current/former student of THAT SCHOOL seeking to shoot/kill teachers and students that they know intimately?
These kids are not going to a mall or downtown area to commit these crimes
They are explicitly targeting their teachers and peers........its a very personal act.....much more so than what we saw in Tx/Oh........
Kids spend 8 plus hours a day under the supervision of educators......its a fair question no?
Its certainly a fair question Picton.
....every time there's a shooting educators blame the gun in some stunning display of logic /sarcasm
When are you and your peers going to start to look inwards for answers to why students are seeking to kill their fellow students and teachers?
Gee,
I dont recall a pattern of kids targeting their Doctors, Local PD or politicians do you?
How about you make a commitment to bring it up at your next commie teacher meeting?
The real question to be asked is why is there so much mental illness? Ther HAS to be a reason for it as it was never as prevalent as it is now. I reject out of hand the notion that "its just noticed more now"...,bullshit! It's not anywhere near the same percentage of people as it was at any time in the past by a long shot.
And there playing call of duty all day longRemember, the state closed all of the state institutions. People like those that were hospitalized in the past, now walk the streets.
Mental illness and community based careRemember, the state closed all of the state institutions. People like those that were hospitalized in the past, now walk the streets.
And there playing call of duty all day long
It sure does, lolThanks for the reminder, the MW looks dope, I gotta get my pre-order in.
The real question to be asked is why is there so much mental illness? Ther HAS to be a reason for it as it was never as prevalent as it is now. I reject out of hand the notion that "its just noticed more now"...,bullshit! It's not anywhere near the same percentage of people as it was at any time in the past by a long shot.