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Trump Banned Bump Stocks
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Why should your or I care about holding a STFU card to the Dems and MSM. They hate guns and if they could wave a magic wand now they would ban having armed citizens immediately.
What room does this give him to maneuver on? We aren't going to get National Reciprocity, especially now. He wants people judged mentally defective to be banned from owning guns, raise the age for carry and purchase of firearms, the banning on bumpstocks and other similar "modifications". He's not maneuvering he is pandering, and worse than that he's pandering to those who are seizing this as an oppourtunity like they always do.
Tim_McD
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As president, Trump still has to operate under the realities of DC and that means knowing where to spend political capital. Proposing a few reviews and floating trial balloons is how the sausage gets made - you call it pandering and others may call it politics
If President Trump did none of this, he and his team would be constantly responding to "the President is in the pocket of the NRA". He now has quelled that noise and has to do "the presidential stuff" - like listening to the kids and parents of those lost during the shooting.
Whether this actually leads to legislation, only time will tell
If President Trump did none of this, he and his team would be constantly responding to "the President is in the pocket of the NRA". He now has quelled that noise and has to do "the presidential stuff" - like listening to the kids and parents of those lost during the shooting.
Whether this actually leads to legislation, only time will tell
This. I am scared. I came of age so to speak under Obama when it comes to gun ownership. I've never known a time other than this brief year of not being fearful of some sort of permanent Federal AWB or worse, UBC system. I think it's odd that this shooting has hit even more anti gunners at "critical mass" than both Vegas and perhaps Newtown and I think its in part due to the media frenzy that has been going on nonstop with regard to Trump winning the election. Now anything viewed negatively that portrays the other side in a poor light runs nonstop 24/7. It is truly a dystopian propaganda machine.
At the State of the Union Speech, when Trump announced lowest black unemployment in history and we saw the entire black caucus remain seated and unimpressed, we witnessed the most obvious, glaring, and frankly terrifying truth in government and politics: "We DGAF about you, we care about FACTION and we care about WINNING"
Now, another school shooting, or worse, two compounded school shootings within this months news cycle, Feinstein won't look so crazy to the middle swingers that went for Trump and aren't dyed in the wool second amendment folks. Heck, most of my solid conservative friends in Massachusetts, some of whom own dozens of guns, would line up and turn them in when the semi auto ban hammer falls.
All I can say is, my credit card cannot handle anymore panic buying. What I've got now, is what is getting grandfathered....
For most, the hunting part loses it's luster when your after something that can hunt you back.
VTski4x4
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Apparently at the hype may be good hype. Trump calls for the end of gun free zones in schools, argues for arming teachers.
View: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-43149694
View: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-43149694
No they won't .
Ever.
Your making a critical error in judgment on what it's really all about.
It's not about "Public safety "
It's not about "Saving children"
It's about disarming the population of this country.
Walk up to a podium today, right now and say "Guess what , you can take your constitution and shove it up your ass, I'm declaring martial law and proclaiming myself high exalted ruler.
It won't end well .
Do the same thing in front of a disarmed population and they either comply or get on the trains.
You dealing with people who hate everything this country is about , deeply and passionately .
They hate our freedom.
They hate the fact that a man can better himself by working harder and live a better life than the f*cking drugged up slug who rolls out of bed at the crack of noon.
And what they hate more than anything else is you can't be forced to bow to them , your betters .
I wasn't talking about the MA bump-stock ban. I was referencing the 7/20 decree and meant the following:
If Maura was able to make an edict around ARs that is contrary to well established law, what's to stop the BATFE from doing the same thing?
Boris
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there are only 20k GOAL members in MAss. Nationally, there are far more people willing to fight that decision.
M60
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Prosecutors / lawyers / State AG's, regularly throw crap against the wall and wait to see what sticks. That's what Maura did here, banning the sale of the AR rifle. Now she's being challenged in court. If she loses, it will be like the "Shot Heard Around The World", not only here in Ma, but also across the United States and beyond.
dcmdon
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No. The danger is that what's next is all semi-automatic rifles that accept a detachable magazine.
Lets be honest here. Killing the maximum amount of people in the least amount of time is best done by a firearm wit a semi-automatic action and detachable magazines.
Since libs think that if we ban it, they will disappear, something like this could be catastrophic for us and obviously ineffective.
dcmdon
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By the way. I participated in an ATF compliance inspection recently. The inspector opined that there was no way to ban bumpstocks without further legislation. He said that you obviously work the trigger once for each shot, so its in full compliance wit the NFA.
His opinion was that if politicians tried to push the ATF, it would be challenged in court and the ban would be shot down.
His opinion was that if politicians tried to push the ATF, it would be challenged in court and the ban would be shot down.
They aren’t “going” anywhere.
M60
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If no one else. The president. I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of the BATFE agent/ agents that try that.
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I've already concluded that impeachment may be necessary. This guy may actually be unhinged, even if not, he's so ill-informed he's not qualified to be president as he's the executive and doesn't even understand the law.
namedpipes
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I can't defend that statement.
namedpipes
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I pray you're correct.
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He was clearly only talking about taking guns away from mentally unstable people without due process, but it’s a pretty stupid and reckless thing to say. If he actually does it we’ll have a whole new problem to deal with. As it stands he’s highly suspect when it comes to gun rights. At best.
Apparently. He ran on getting national reciprocity passed, but today he all but buried it as an idea because he doesn't want it as part of a comprehensive gun bill.
So, Trump wants this comprehensive gun bill to be the Fix NICS bill, bump stock ban, 21 years old age requirement, stronger mental health systems, stronger background checks, possibly universal background checks to fix the "gun show loophole", and who knows what else, but if there's anything remotely in it that's pro gun, he doesn't want it because it won't pass.
f*** OFF! You're not telling me that DiFi won't vote for a bill that has all that crap in it and the one pro gun thing be national reciprocity or suppressor deregulation from the NFA. She'd sign that in a heartbeat because Dems have been pushing UBC's for a long time now.
Trump is apparently the best guy for the Anti's to have had in the oval office since FDR.
EDIT: Not saying I want UBC's btw.
If Executive Orders worked that way, Obama would've done it during his tenure. As mentioned in the first few comments on the TTAG article.
And no, Executive Actions aren't a wallhack on the constitution either.
namedpipes
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UBC would simply mean even more people would buy and sell firearms without paperwork.
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