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My nightmare is after fours years of contemplating the possibilities of 4d inter-galactic space chess, we're forced to come to the realization it was checkers all along.
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Trump Banned Bump Stocks
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GM-GUY
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Yes, I would love to see the MG registry re-opened. Could you imagine the liberal heads exploding when REAL, NEW Assault Weapons are on store shelves..............
ChevyGuy91
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Yeah so Trump is no different then all the other politicians at this point.
Also no different then Obama with circumventing the checks and balances put in place by the Constitution with his EO's. Another slice in the death by 1,000 cuts.
but hey.... MAGA
Also no different then Obama with circumventing the checks and balances put in place by the Constitution with his EO's. Another slice in the death by 1,000 cuts.
but hey.... MAGA
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4D chess bro. Giving up bumpstocks is going to lead to civilian access to M240b's.
So Trump gave away bump stocks for nothing. We get no reciprocity, no suppressors, nothing to bargain with now in a compromise with Anti's.
After this what's the point in voting for anyone if you're not a left wing nut bent on Socialism? The only difference between D and R is the D's slam on the accelerator to Socialism while the R's drive 10 below the speed limit on cruise so they don't get a ticket. Either way you still get there.
When they come knocking, my advice is to take as many with you as you can because there are many more of us and they'll eventually run out of numbers.
After this what's the point in voting for anyone if you're not a left wing nut bent on Socialism? The only difference between D and R is the D's slam on the accelerator to Socialism while the R's drive 10 below the speed limit on cruise so they don't get a ticket. Either way you still get there.
When they come knocking, my advice is to take as many with you as you can because there are many more of us and they'll eventually run out of numbers.
Yeah.... but look at everything else Trump does. He acts (or at least puts on a public persona) like an erratic toddler and yet, despite many failures, bizarrely keeps coming out ahead of almost all of his peers with an uncanny knack for winning against all odds. We can only hope that this is some deliberate set up to draw a lawsuit before a friendly court to get a desired ruling that congress otherwise doesn't have the stones to effect legislatively.
IMHO there are likely certain people at the ATF groaning about this whole thing.... its quite obvious that the NRA, and Trump pandering to them when this issue first reached him, applied pressure to the DOJ and someone told them "you need to rule on this". Up until that bullshit started after Vegas, BATFEs position was always that "congress has to change the law if they dont want bump stocks" because of the obvious legal
problem with the way a machine gun is defined in actual US code terms. They got away with the shoestring and stuff like that, but a bump stock is even somewhat more primitive than that, in terms of how thetrigger is actuated.
I don't think it's going to be an "inspiration" for anything because BATFE doesn't want to be in this position to begin with. The executive has forced their hand. It will be interesting to see if the slidefire folks can secure an injunction or a "stay" or something against this ruling... considering itll take like an easy 1-2 years just for a federal case against BATFE to even start to marinate.
-Mike
So you went from
He's just saying stuff that he doesn't even mean. Next week everyone will have moved on and nothing will have actually changed.
To he's just "posturing". Not sure what's misleading about actually directing the ban of them.
To, well it's just a gun accessory, and I think it's a dumb one so who cares.
That last and your current position is identical to the lefts on gun control.
Who needs a magazine with more than x rounds? Ban those. It's not an infringement on the 2A, they are just accessories.
Flash hiders.
Bayonet lugs.
Collapsible stocks.
Pistol grips.
Wait, that sounds sort of like the former federal, and current MA, NJ, CA and probably other state AWB's. Did you support those too? Or are those accessories not dumb?
Oh, it would? Why? Is there any difference at all other than you think one is dumb and the other isn't?
Nope.
It's 100% arbitrary and subjective. The fact you support gun control based on subjectivity is frightening. I wasn't aware of the "I think it's dumb" exception to the 2nd. I wasn't aware of the part of the constitution that allowed the executive branch to make laws either. Nor aware of the part of the GCA that regulates machine guns where it allows the executive to make up their own definition of what a machine gun is in order to ban gun accessories.
No, it's not a red herring. It's very relevant. And yes, Trump is a populist. You think it's okay to violate the constitution as long as you are a populist? Disgusting.
No, it's not. She isn't. Because she isn't President. Trump is. And despite him certainly not having to push gun control, especially since his only constitutional authority in regards to firearms regulations are...well, none, he definitely doesn't have to be doing anything. Funny how you just mentioned red herrings though. "Well "Hillary would be worse" is one.
Any violation of the constitution is relevant and important. That you think otherwise because you love Trump is pathetic.
Red herring.
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Yeah, I'm not even vaguely holding my breath.
The separation of powers is just a speed bump when certain people in the different branches work together after hours.
Trump doesnt care about bump stocks, but he knows the underlying issue of banning everything possible from the precedent of banning it. He is constantly drawing the leftists forward, but his track record so far is great. He gets their hopes up, they act like monkeys and Bolsheviks, then dont get what they want but actually lose ground.
You guys out there doubting him, youre actually giving him cover.
He is balancing plates on his hands and nose playing the centrist. If he had come out hardcore right wing it wouldnt have worked, and that isnt who he is.
He may betray us on bumpstocks, but he is making the left pay more than any president since Reagan?
Trump doesnt care about bump stocks, but he knows the underlying issue of banning everything possible from the precedent of banning it. He is constantly drawing the leftists forward, but his track record so far is great. He gets their hopes up, they act like monkeys and Bolsheviks, then dont get what they want but actually lose ground.
You guys out there doubting him, youre actually giving him cover.
He is balancing plates on his hands and nose playing the centrist. If he had come out hardcore right wing it wouldnt have worked, and that isnt who he is.
He may betray us on bumpstocks, but he is making the left pay more than any president since Reagan?
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I'm not sure if he was serious or not, but I *can* safely say the left has NEVER been this frothing-at-the-mouth at any time in history that *I* can recall. And I remember Carter.
So that's good. Although I fear it will bring them out in number at the next election. Which means WE need to come to terms.
I'm very serious. I honestly could care less about pissing off the left, just motivates them to continue to push their agenda.
What I do care about is an NRA A rated President spewing gun control rhetoric and instructiong the DOJ to ban bump stocks. So again, whats the plan here?
What I do care about is an NRA A rated President spewing gun control rhetoric and instructiong the DOJ to ban bump stocks. So again, whats the plan here?
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Mostly legal. I'm not sure if any other states did anything as stupid as MA.
All three bump stocks that were in Mass have been turned in.
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Thanks. So this is where things stand? We're just waiting for the ban to be officially proclaimed?:
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Personally I don't think Trump cares about a second term. In fact deep down inside I'm betting he's wondering what the hell he got himself into. It appears running for president was just a bit of a lark, and maybe a marketing stunt, but he won. And now it's put a major crimp into his lifestyle of golf and fun, and uncovered a bunch of nasty secrets about his behaviors that he thought were gone and buried.
All this is my way of saying I don't think he cares about the voter base that got him elected. I don't think he considers them for an instant in any decisions he makes. His decisions are seat of the pants choices influenced by whoever he talked with most recently (FYI I stole that line from Jim Finnerty who so eloquently described this president's decision making process on FB).
Trying to second guess his choices is futile. He doesn't care about anyone but himself.
All this is my way of saying I don't think he cares about the voter base that got him elected. I don't think he considers them for an instant in any decisions he makes. His decisions are seat of the pants choices influenced by whoever he talked with most recently (FYI I stole that line from Jim Finnerty who so eloquently described this president's decision making process on FB).
Trying to second guess his choices is futile. He doesn't care about anyone but himself.
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I realize this is a slanted article, but it shows just how easy we lose by saying f*** bumpstocks.
Florida May Have Just Accidentally Banned Aftermarket AR-15 Triggers - GunsAmerica Digest
Florida May Have Just Accidentally Banned Aftermarket AR-15 Triggers - GunsAmerica Digest
Palladin
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While in NH yesterday, he mentioned he'd need 7 more yrs to stop the opioid crisis
slipknot
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Trump's Newest ATF Bump Stock Rule Open for Comments
Regulations.gov
flood them with comments opposing this ban
Regulations.gov
flood them with comments opposing this ban
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jizzelle trigger is a bumpstock. The mode de jour is to make everyone felons, then let those who want try to be legal through court systems.
The lawmakers should be quizzed on the law they pass. If they sign off on laws they haven't read or don't know what they actually mean, it should be a no go. f***ing pieces of shit.
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