transaction reporting responsability...

[drgrant]

For the self flaggelators logging transfers to MA dealers.... what the actual ****? This section of law makes it abundantly clear that you do NOT have to do so, despite whatever dumb made up verbiage printed on the portal says (which is a bunch of lies and bullshit) :

Section 128A. The provisions of section one hundred and twenty-eight shall not apply to any person who, without being licensed as provided in section one hundred and twenty-two, sells or transfers a firearm, rifle or shotgun to a person licensed under said section one hundred and twenty-two, or to a federally licensed firearms dealer or to a federal, state or local historical society, museum or institutional collection open to the public.

Summary version: "If you're selling a gun to an FFL or an MA licensed dealer none of the rest of the bullshit written in the rest of this law applies. Have a nice day. "

-Mike

 

[free]

Calm down cowboy. We know it is not necessary. I just tried it cuz, well I could. That's all.

 

[Coyote33]

Maybe everybody should just resort to "long term borrowing".

Remember the idea people had to have a couple guns they just keep transferring around. You know, get an old $50 .22, and sell it. Do the "transfer", then immediately sell and "transfer" to the next guy in line. Eventually, the gun goes full circle, and winds up with the guy who brought it, and nobody is out any money. Do this times 50 guns, and have some fun.

... It's totally stupid, because if anything happens that would cause you to not pass the check, you've been arrested and/or the cops come to your house and take your LTC and all your guns, so you wouldn't even have an LTC to show the seller. ...

So if someone files a 209A against me and claims I have a firearm the local PD will politely knock on my door and ask me if I have any firearms and I will say no and politely close the door. Or are they going to show up with a list of serial numbers and apply for a warrant if I can't produce them.

"The Firearms Record Bureau (FRB) maintains a database of licenses issued and records of firearms sales by gun dealers, as well as private transfers of weapons." AKA a registry of firearms. It would only take a few lines of code to print out what is registered to me and flag a sale where I am attempting to sell a firearm registered to someone else such as the previous owner.

For some reason, this guy was able to "keep going" for quite a while "after".

 

[jpm]

Remember the idea people had to have a couple guns they just keep transferring around. You know, get an old $50 .22, and sell it. Do the "transfer", then immediately sell and "transfer" to the next guy in line. Eventually, the gun goes full circle, and winds up with the guy who brought it, and nobody is out any money. Do this times 50 guns, and have some fun.

yeah all you need is 13 people willing to blow their 4 transfers per year on this stupid game that really won't accomplish anything

 

[jpm]

For the self flaggelators logging transfers to MA dealers.... what the actual ****? This section of law makes it abundantly clear that you do NOT have to do so, despite whatever dumb made up verbiage printed on the portal says (which is a bunch of lies and bullshit) :

Summary version: "If you're selling a gun to an FFL or an MA licensed dealer none of the rest of the bullshit written in the rest of this law applies. Have a nice day. "

-Mike[/FONT][/COLOR]

Umm I think you missed a crucial part of 128A - The provisions of section one hundred and twenty-eight shall not apply to any person who, without being licensed as provided in section one hundred and twenty-two, sells or transfers a firearm, rifle or shotgun to a person licensed under said section one hundred and twenty-two, or to a federally licensed firearms dealer or to a federal, state or local historical society, museum or institutional collection open to the public.

Its saying an unlicensed person doesn't need to do an FA10 which they can't anyway without a license number. Its not saying you don't have to do one if you sell it to a dealer.

 

[drgrant]

Umm I think you missed a crucial part of 128A - The provisions of section one hundred and twenty-eight shall not apply to any person who, without being licensed as provided in section one hundred and twenty-two, sells or transfers a firearm, rifle or shotgun to a person licensed under said section one hundred and twenty-two, or to a federally licensed firearms dealer or to a federal, state or local historical society, museum or institutional collection open to the public.

Its saying an unlicensed person doesn't need to do an FA10 which they can't anyway without a license number. Its not saying you don't have to do one if you sell it to a dealer.

No, wrong. S122 is dealer licensing only. This makes it abundantly clear to me that this exemption, as stated, was intended to apply to all non-dealers. It doesn't exclude people from its protections if they have an LTC. LTC is described under a different section of law.

-Mike

 

[Gator9329]

Pictures of Sally-Jo please

 

[rlee]

Section 128A says that anyone who sells to a list of valid recipients (dealer, LTC holder, etc) is not subject to the penalties in section 128 provided that they use the portal.

 

[drgrant]

Section 128A says that anyone who sells to a list of valid recipients (dealer, LTC holder, etc) is not subject to the penalties in section 128 provided that they use the portal.

That may indeed be true but I still don't think it nullifies the opening paragraphs of the law, which are put there for a reason. Even though the law is poorly written, the intent of that is obvious- "If you're selling shit to a dealer, either defined under MGL or an FFL, none of this really matters". If I was going to make a WAG, this was put there to immunize laypersons using the services of dealers.

Part of the fun with this crap is while the law says one thing, EOPS/CJIS on numerous occasions have made statements (much like the "you should register everything, no matter what, cuz we said so" stuff on the E-FA-10 page) that are confusing or not based on the law. It wouldn't surprise me if the "we want you to EFA10 crap you sell to a dealer" thing came from a similar edict from them, as well. It wouldn't be the first time.

-Mike

 

[rlee]

...
Part of the fun with this crap is while the law says one thing, EOPS/CJIS on numerous occasions have made statements (much like the "you should register everything, no matter what, cuz we said so" stuff on the E-FA-10 page) that are confusing or not based on the law. It wouldn't surprise me if the "we want you to EFA10 crap you sell to a dealer" thing came from a similar edict from them, as well. It wouldn't be the first time.

-Mike

True.
Plus case law, which I haven't the slightest ability to discover, further "enhances" the meaning.

 

[pupchow]

WRT Massachusetts Gun Transaction Portal

The only function available to me via the Portal is the "Personal Sale or Transfer" option, as all others require a PIN, which many LTC holders do not have (and cannot have, because they have a paper LTC). I'm in full compliance.

 

[teaser452]

We should probably just turn all our guns into art work!



How would I use the portal to log that my guns are now decommissioned and hanging in Anderson Cooper's living room?

 

[browncoat]

We should probably just turn all our guns into art work!

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How would I use the portal to log that my guns are now decommissioned and hanging in Anderson Cooper's living room?

My guns are a piece of artwork. The fact that they reside inside a safe that prevents their viewing is an avant garde challenge to the notion that visual art must be seen to be appreciated. I consider myself a post minimalist artist existing on the fringe of post post modern art.

 

[cwinship]

The politicians have succeeded!! As a new enthusiast, I am > < this close to not pursuing gun ownership and taking up welding as a hobby.

 

[MAJoe]

The politicians have succeeded!! As a new enthusiast, I am > < this close to not pursuing gun ownership and taking up welding as a hobby.

That's what they want! Welding is a great skill to have regardless. If you have Instagram, check out weldporn.

 

[cwinship]

Well fortunately I'm only close, haven't give up just yet!
I have not checked out weldporn but I will, although I am sure it will just make me feel inadequate.

 

[spt_1955]

WRT Massachusetts Gun Transaction Portal

The only function available to me via the Portal is the "Personal Sale or Transfer" option, as all others require a PIN, which many LTC holders do not have (and cannot have, because they have a paper LTC). I'm in full compliance.

Somebody educate me. How can you have an LTC and no PIN? What does "and cannot have (a PIN) because they have a paper LTC" mean???????

 

[pupchow]

Somebody educate me. How can you have an LTC and no PIN? What does "and cannot have (a PIN) because they have a paper LTC" mean???????

The non-paper LTC card incorporates a magnetic strip, which is verified via PIN. The paper LTC has no such magnetic strip, and must be verified via identification verification.

 

[drgrant]

Somebody educate me. How can you have an LTC and no PIN? What does "and cannot have (a PIN) because they have a paper LTC" mean???????

There are a handful of towns in Tinbuck 4 that are not on MIRCS so they can't generate licenses that aren't based off the Horseblanket system. Not sure if you ever had one of these, but it was a gigantic LTC that would not fit in a normal wallet. When I had one I had to get a huge tactical style nylon wallet just to fit the thing in without bending it.

-Mike

 

[dcmdon]

its even more messed up if you sell a long gun out of state, say to someone in NH from MA as the system doesn't recognize anything out of state as it is a MA only system - you sell it and you can't do a form to say you sold it since it won't take a non MA dealer license or non resident license.

This is a good thing. It keeps the data DIRTY. So they can't rely on it.

 

[Todd_M_S]

There are a handful of towns in Tinbuck 4 that are not on MIRCS so they can't generate licenses that aren't based off the Horseblanket system. Not sure if you ever had one of these, but it was a gigantic LTC that would not fit in a normal wallet. When I had one I had to get a huge tactical style nylon wallet just to fit the thing in without bending it.

-Mike

Timbuck 4, that's my place, Monroe, Ma. Still using, hand written, 3" x 6", ltc's, elmers glue on the passport photo, laminated in contact paper, trimmed out with scissors. No pin, no fingerprints, most gunshops and stores won't accept it at face value, until I insist they make a phone call. Actually pretty ugly and inconvenient to carry....... On an up note our local licensing authority only issues unrestricted LTC-A's. 90 out of the 98 registered voters in our town are issued LTC-A's.

Great town to live in...

 

[Horrible]

Well fortunately I'm only close, haven't give up just yet!
I have not checked out weldporn but I will, although I am sure it will just make me feel inadequate.

Don't give up. Spit in a pol's eye (as well as the lying anti-2A scumsuckers) and get your LTC, donate to Comm 2A and become a GOAL memeber!