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STOP ERPO TODAY!!! - Light Up The State House Phones!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Mike S, Apr 12, 2018.

  1. NewGuyRay

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    While we are calling this a confiscation bill, doesn't your statement reflect what this bill is really all about?

    I firmly believe the goal here is to further marginalize gun owners and drive us into the shadows. Make people afraid to have anyone know they own guns. Most importantly, it seeks to make us too afraid to speak up in public for our rights. Imagine showing up at a Statehouse hearing to speak against a new piece of anti-gun legislation. Voice your opinion strongly enough, maybe make some in attendance "uncomfortable" and next thing you know, a cop is taking down your personal info and you are getting dragged into an ERPO hearing.

    This law certainly seems to serve its primary purpose of making gun owners afraid to call attention to themselves.
     
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  2. Spicolii

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    Precisely. The bill of rights is like a woven cloth. All the strands intersect and reinforce each other. Your scenario illustrates this perfectly. ERPO is as much an assault on the first amendment as it is the second.
     
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    That's beautiful, man. :emoji_cry:
     
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  4. PeterC

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    No way Baker vetoes this.
     
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    No way I vote for his gun-grabbing RINO a$$
     
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    I saw the final roll call vote list. WTF happened with Keiko?

    Also, does anyone know yet when they plan to take this up in the senate?
     
  7. Boston4567

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    Two important things in amendment 43 worth expounding on:

    1. The bad: They removed the word "significant" from "significant risk of causing bodily injury to self or others...". So now it just needs to be more likely than not you pose "a risk". We're entering Deflategate territory here in terms of evidentiary requirements... might as well say it's "more probable than not that you're at least generally a risk"
    2. The good: The language added regarding petitioning to modify the order essentially restores the right of appeal that was originally removed. In fact, it's an improvement in that there are no limitations on how many times you can ask the court to lift the order.
     
  8. Coyote33

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    Auburn Sportsman's Club was invited to participate in the town's Memorial Day Parade. I have no idea what this is going to mean, but I am hoping for a banner and hand out candy.
     
  9. Dadstoys

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    Remember a while back he said he would sign ANY anti 2A bill that hit his desk.
    It's a no brainer he'll sign it.
    They could put an order on his desk tomorrow for a round up and liquidation of all gun owners and the prick would sign it.
    Anyone who votes for this guy no matter who's running against him needs to slam their pecker in the car door.
    He's just a rubber stamp for the commies.
     
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    Did not get an opportunity today, but I will phone tomorrow to thank Rep. Jon Zlotnik for being one of only two Democrats to vote NO.
    Losing cause I know, but if you live in his district maybe let him know it was appreciated.

    The other Democrat voting NO was Rep. Colleen Garry of Dracut, along with independent Rep. Susannah Whipps of Athol, both of whom should be thanked also.

    Especially considering that means there were 23 Republicans who voted YES for this crap.

    :mad:
     
  11. MachineryGun

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    This, and by the rate of the rejection of the amendments and the constant lies still told by the authors about what it includes, it seems like the whole thing was cut and pasted from a source outside of this legislative body with that kind of agenda.
     
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    Just saw the governor on the news saying he would veto the bill as it currently stands and that it's a local law enforcement issue. The news then played a clip of him answering a question on the common that sounds like it's relating to illegal immigrants vs guns though.
     
  13. Len-2A Training

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    In MA police always have the power to "ERPO" people without an ERPO law. It's just that in MA anytime something bad happens legistraitors MUST knee-jerk and pass something to make themselves look relevant.
     
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    Doesn't go far enough for him?

    Even if he does veto it, there's a solid majority to override his veto (even when Romney was Gov, I don't recall a time
    when the legislature didn't override any of his vetos).

    End result... Baker still looks good to moderate Republicans because he can always claim he did what he
    could, but the Dem controlled legislature overruled him.
     
  15. Boston4567

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    There have always been tons of instances of gubernatorial vetos that weren't overridden (even under Gov. Steve Urkel). It happens much more frequently on budget line-item vetos, rather than major bills, though. See, e.g., Governor's FY18 Vetoes

    The threat of a veto, even if it can be overridden, can used prior to a bill's passage in combination with the bully pulpit to influence its provisions in the right direction.

    Finally, MA has the somewhat unique provision of "returning with amendment". The Governor can rewrite/amend a bill and send it back to the legislature for them to vote on it. If they ignore his changes and send the original bill back, he can veto it.

    If Baker is serious (not holding my breath on that) there's plenty he can do.
     
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    As soon as the senate is done with the budget, I'm guessing it will be next Tuesday as I doubt they will work over the long weekend. If they do, it will be very telling.

    Lombardo voted for it as well, he was all over GOAL re: Chapter 284 in 2014 and he is MA Gun Rights/Chris Pinto's golden boy. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
     
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    Look, the "legislators" in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts do not give one sweet Sh*t about what their constituency wants. The vote as if they were the sole residents of this dump. And being mostly Democrats, well, you know how that'll go.
    It's only a matter of time folks. We can't even vote 'em out, and if by some miracle we do, they will run to the courts to get it "corrected". Remember the gay marriage vote? and the Law that reduced the state income tax? We don't deserve these a**holes, but like termites, we can't get rid of 'em.
     
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  18. butlerrj

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    When the time comes, we muster over the canal. We can hold 'em off from there.
     
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    OK, so let's see who we have for senators.

    Moore, Fattman, who else? Let's start a list.

    By the way, does GOAL still give ratings?
     
  20. Mike S

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    Yes, there will be new ratings posted mid to late summer. There are two major votes that the grades will be based on, bump stock and ERPO.
     
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    Moore's office actually called my elderly mother today to wish her happy birthday. Odd things are, she doesn't nor ever lived in his district, never gave her phone number to any political organization, never wrote or called the senate, and it isn't her birthday. I'm wondering if identity thieves are impersonating the elderly and contacting the legislature to push agenda with the reps and senators none-the-wiser.
     
  22. Coyote33

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    So, back to the list.

    For:
    Moore
    Fattman
    ?

    Against:


    In the middle (this is where we need to spend our time and attention):

    ?
    ??
    ???
    ????
     
  23. PennyPincher

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    oh wait! you mean the MA legislature is STILL screwing the residents there?
     
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    Such a true statement. The Commonwealth loves to punish its own residents.
     
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    what guns ?
     
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    the veto Charlie was talking about was the immigration sanctuary bill, not gunz.
     
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    View: https://youtu.be/p-8W1P07Xok
     
  28. Coyote33

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    No, really. If we are going to fight this in the senate, we need to figure out who we're working with, right?

    So, back to the list. These are all I know. Someone else please help.

    For:
    Moore
    Fattman
    ?

    Against:
    Eldridge?
    Chandler?
    ?
    ??
    ???
    ????

    In the middle (this is where we need to spend our time and attention):

    ?
    ??
    ???
    ????
     
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    I'm confused about your categories. Moore and Fattman are for the bill and Eldridge and Chandler are against? I think you have this backwards
     
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    No, we are FOR THEM in the next election. We need to start working towards the next elections. They support us. Thanks.
     

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