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Fact.Skip the Gen 4 get a Gen 5. It is noticeably better.
that new holosun scs is supposed to work fine with the stock iron sights, it seems, the way it fits into the MOS slide. i keep looking online about it, and it is so far 50/50 responses on it.Fact.
Lol this is one of the reasons I haven’t gone down that road either.I know that if I go down that road its going to cost me a shitload of money because I'd probably end up converting a lot of guns.
2 MOA dot is the way for 50-100. with that you can hit 10" plate at a 100, with fiber sights - it is more difficult.the tiny 3 MOA dot covering the plate versus my fiber optic front and rear notch etc.
I have astigmatisms in both eyes. I started shooting a dot a year or two ago, and initially had a LOT of trouble with it. The trouble that everyone has - finding the damn dot when you go from holster or low ready to getting a sight picture.
I did a bit of research and a bunch of dryfire. Problem gone. I can close my eyes, draw from my holster, present the gun and when I open my eyes - I see the dot. The gun is in the correct place relative to my eyes. That comes from practice, lots of practice.
I was shooting bowling pins the other day, over at Ledyard, and realized that of the five guns on the table - ALL of them had dots.
Browning Buckmark - Burris FastFire III
GP100 - Burris FastFire III
G34 - Trijicon SRO
G31 - Trijicon RMR
G41 - Trijicon SRO
The Burris FastFire's aren't horrendously expensive, but I think of them as more fragile than the Trijicons. The guns they're on are range toys - so I'm not concerned if they fail.
The Trijisons ARE horrendously expensive - but it's a "buy once - cry once" situation. The G31 is a carry gun for me, which is why it has the RMR on it. The two with SROs are for competition and pins. The SRO doesn't feel as "rugged" as the RMR - but it's wicked fast to acquire the dot through the glass.
I leave the Trijicons on all the time, swap the batteries out every six months, (it's on my calendar).
I still like shooting irons - but the reality is that I can shoot dots faster and more accurately.
These charts don't mean anything without context.Steady aim is just one factor. Trigger squeeze another. But then you have sight picture, and inconsistent sight picture of pistol iron sights at distance can be a HUGE factor in poor accuracy. And those factors are additive.
Also, here are some data aggregated gathered from force on force training. It doesn’t lie. Red dot hits are more likely to be incapacitating shots. I cropped out the rear view because neither had hits there and I couldn’t frame it on my screen well.
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a one with a romeo zero?picked up a 365 with a dot
Read the report.These charts don't mean anything without context.
How was the study conducted?
Distances, obstacles between shooter and target?
How much time did they have to aim?
How many shots did each person take?
How much time between follow up shots?
How proficient was each person with the specific gun?
The chart means nothing because having a red dot without adequate practice (which most gun owners don't get) means nothing. And if those people have adequate practice, why are there so many red dot shots on the hand?
Last night at Dean Safety I picked up a 365 with a dot for the first time (my CCW is a 365 with iron sights). While the dot was nice and the co-witness was nice, I still had a little bit of a hard time finding the dot (and I shoot other guns with dots in competition). It would require some getting used to and practice every week at the range and a lot of drawing.
Yes. The X, same one I have. They have a few if you want to check them out.a one with a romeo zero?
I’ve linked to it a couple times and pasted how it was conducted and details about the participants in another comment.These charts don't mean anything without context.
How was the study conducted?
Distances, obstacles between shooter and target?
How much time did they have to aim?
How many shots did each person take?
How much time between follow up shots?
How proficient was each person with the specific gun?
The chart means nothing because having a red dot without adequate practice (which most gun owners don't get) means nothing. And if those people have adequate practice, why are there so many red dot shots on the hand?
Last night at Dean Safety I picked up a 365 with a dot for the first time (my CCW is a 365 with iron sights). While the dot was nice and the co-witness was nice, I still had a little bit of a hard time finding the dot (and I shoot other guns with dots in competition). It would require some getting used to and practice every week at the range and a lot of drawing.
I tried, but the post I quoted does not have a link.Read the report.
That doesn’t prove anything. It doesn’t take into account shooters skill. I can slay with irons.There is only one way to settle this argument. IDPA competition with Team RDS vs Team Iron. The losers shall be converted.
I tried, but the post I quoted does not have a link.
no, i saw it. be careful with the zero. i do not agree 100% with what is below - but it does seem to have sporadic QC issues, from what people say online. optics choice is a bitch, as most cost almost as a gun itself, and some are just plain garbage.Yes. The X, same one I have. They have a few if you want to check them out.
The link was on the first pageI tried, but the post I quoted does not have a link.
I am not spending time looking through 8 pages to find a link.The link was on the first page
Thanks OK. It took a whole 30 seconds of strenuous work to find the report using Google.The link was on the first page
I am not spending time looking through 8 pages to find a link.
I just figured you would have read the first page before reading my follow on comment. But I guess I should have said in the comment with the graphic: “the study is described in the white paper I linked earlier”I am not spending time looking through 8 pages to find a link.
no, i saw it. be careful with the zero. i do not agree 100% with what is below - but it does seem to have sporadic QC issues, from what people say online. optics choice is a bitch, as most cost almost as a gun itself, and some are just plain garbage.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr41Gd8JmwQ
the sig made optic X issue there, again, is the slide cut that is made for the zero, and this locks it for this sight. works for some, breaks for some. kinda goes back to my original gripe of what does not work well for a carry gun, as with time it may be fine, or may be not.
Can confirm, the Romeo Zero sucks. I had it on my P365 for less than a week.The Romeo Zero is a POS. The holosun 507K and EPS are excellent sights.
you all will keep busting my balls here for an eternity, but i still gonna be in a stubborn mode - none of that shit is excellent. RMR seems to be quite good indeed and take abuse well, from what people say, the holosuns - meh, seems, again, to be a hit and miss. mostly good for most, but you see people talking about emitters issues here and there.The holosun 507K and EPS are excellent sights.
OMG. are you trying to prove my point of what is not supposed to be on a carry gun?DPP has been known to have issues. It is not as durable as the RMR. Same for the SRO.
You do you. I've run the shit out three 507K's and have had zero problems. Batteries have lasted two years on the ones that I don't carry.you all will keep busting my balls here for an eternity, but i still gonna be in a stubborn mode - none of that shit is excellent. RMR seems to be quite good indeed and take abuse well, from what people say, the holosuns - meh, seems, again, to be a hit and miss. mostly good for most, but you see people talking about emitters issues here and there.
i have DPP on the glock now for, like, a couple of years, with zero precautions - it is my favorite old range toy and it means the gun was not handled with cotton gloves, it got now some scuffs and marks, and it all works optics wise. but it stopped waking up by itself, if it goes to sleep mode i need to turn it off and turn it on.
SRO so far was flawless, but i care for it (and hate it for it, as i have to care for this $600 piece of shit now). RMR on the other gun is also so far so good.
i will get probably a holosun for the g34 MOS, will see how will that go, as it has DPP now and i am getting a DPP plate for a ruger.
so, i will remain rather skeptical, mostly, for now. keep your enthusiasm, while your optics work well.