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Wow, that looks identical to my Sig MCX pistol
Was shooting in Utah last week, some kid came up to me and said "dont let the sheriff see you putting that brace on your shoulder "
He says once the brace touches your shoulder it's now an SBR...........
But if these braces become illegal and you want a similar look - I think you have to get the actual stock version and SBR it.Lol, but no. They had a hair up their ass.
Probably because there is no approval letter for that brace/pistol.
The ATF tends to get hemmrhoid flare ups when someone "gets cute" with something like that. Same thing happened to the Aikins accelerator.
The worst this does possibly is threaten the viability of those weird expensive collapsible braces. Maybe Kevin_NH is onto something with the LOP, too.
Gotta love it though when ATF shits on something without being specific. But that is typical.
ETA: I honestly think they only allowed braces to begin with to forestall a federal lawsuit being filed over the excessive form 1 processing time.... legalizing braces back then bought them a reprieve. (this is going way back, when e-file was way shittier than it is now. )
That's not what caused this, though, unless people have more intel.Well, maybe if people would stop writing them for a letter of clarification we wouldn't be seeing this kind of
shit as often.
That's not what caused this, though, unless people have more intel.
Good luck figuring that out.But if these braces become illegal and you want a similar look - I think you have to get the actual stock version and SBR it.
Is that correct?
Good luck figuring that out.
I don't think you have to figure it out.Good luck figuring that out.
Lol, yes, if you’re into being afraid of your own shadow over something which might not even be a problem.I don't think you have to figure it out.
Just get the lower.
SBR it.
Put on a short stock that is not an arm brace.
No. The letter was issued 3 August. In the first line: "On 3 August 2020, the ATF issued Q a formal Cease and Desist letter..."
They've had this in hand for over 2 months.
they have to get into the weeds with this because franklin armory made their reFormation rifle with straight "rifling" and bypassed the NFA in the process.So having a rifled barrel now classifies something as a rifle!
I guess a pistol with a rifled barrel is now a rifle.
Sweet, no more pistol permits required in MA anymore!
You can now buy a pistol with an FID card!
Thanks ATF!
I had a funny feeling they were going to do something
Today the ATF issued a cease and desist to Q for selling the honey badger pistol, saying it's actually an SBR. This opens up quite a lot of questions as to what else the ATF is going to reclassify, especially considering matt goetz's unreturned letter.
suppose the noveske ghetto blaster is going to be in the same boat since q makes their brace...
Hmm... Looks a bit like your typical pistol brace
Maybe it's the extension feature?. The fed rules on this shit just need to go away forever. This flip flopping is getting old.
This is all BS and I think the ATF has no idea what it's doing anymore (or ever), but I do wonder what it was with this proprietary design that they made this seemingly arbitrary distinction. Is it possible that because this "Honeybadger" stock has a cheek weld cover that stays put in a position that would suggest shouldering use that they are calling it out? Most other collapsing pistol braces just have exposed buffer tubes or just dual rails. Sure, you still mash your face up against those too, but there's no "put your face here while shouldering" cover. Just a shot in the dark. Who knows with the ATF. They admit themselves that their rulings can come down to completely arbitrary things, including marketing.
Sig did an amazing job pushing for the brace ruling. They’re so proliferated now that the ATF would face serious backlash if they flipped on commonly owned braces. Doesn’t mean they won’t do it if course...This was a razor thin legality that proliferated tremendously. I'm sure ATF was dying for an excuse to push back. However since they approved braces this seems arbitrary.
Is that the thing that goes, up?
Maybe it's the extension feature?. The fed rules on this shit just need to go away forever. This flip flopping is getting old.
Anyone still wondering if they should have 80% lowers is behind the curve.
The extension only works on the Fix and the Mini-Fix and only if you have a stock on the Mini-Fix. The extension can not be fitted to any Q brace.I was looking at Q website to try to discern any reason why this would not apply to all braced ARs. I see Q even sells an adapter to adjust the length of pull for the brace. Come on, that really rubs it in ATFs face.
This was a razor thin legality that proliferated tremendously. I'm sure ATF was dying for an excuse to push back. However since they approved braces this seems arbitrary.