Jason Flare
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Is the argument for telling a cop you have a LTC that the cop already knows? Did I really read that or did I imagine it?
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This has been posted many times in numerous threads:
If asked, do NOT lie.
If not asked, STFU!
Are you required by law to answer truthfully?
Are you required by law to answer truthfully?
Are you required by law to answer truthfully?
My understanding has always been that unless you are officially under investigation or are suspected of committing some crime then it is not technically illegal to lie to the police. I'm not sure there's much to gain in a situation such as the one here by being dishonest. Obviously there's always the 5th, I suppose.
Someone please correct any errors I have made as IANAL.
Amazing this thread reached 180+ posts in less than a day. Good (interesting, at least) topic. Woohoo! Personal record!
I know that when asked to produce your LTC, you must. But what of the officer's request to hand over the gun? Is that a legitimate request from the officer? Is an LTC holder legally required to hand over the gun? Based on the OP's experience, I imagine not. Likewise
What *is* the right/legal way to handle this situation?
If he is in a marked cruiser, I'm not worried about him being an impostor.
Amazing this thread reached 180+ posts in less than a day. Good (interesting, at least) topic.
I know that when asked to produce your LTC, you must. But what of the officer's request to hand over the gun? Is that a legitimate request from the officer? Is an LTC holder legally required to hand over the gun? Based on the OP's experience, I imagine not.
What *is* the right/legal way to handle this situation?
They can ask, but you don't have to answer. But don't lie.
Officer: Any weapons in the vehicle?
You:
A) Yes
B) Am I being detained or am I free to go?
C) Say nothing
Those are your options.
I prefer condition 5. Trigger lock installed, pistol locked in safe, ammunition locked up at the other end of the house.
When I encounter a BG at the milkshake drive through I'll just ask him if he minds waiting 20 minutes while I run home.
I guess I just realized I don't live in fear.
I'm sure there are multitude of legal ways. The "right" way (as illustrated in this thread) is very much subject to opinion and frankly may vary somewhat depending on the specific scenario. I think I was fortunate in that despite the request, the officer seemed to respect my decision not to comply. I stated my feelings calmly and rationally and made it about mutual safety rather than a "Don't Tread on Me!" type of attitude. Obviously just like any encounter, the wrong person on the wrong day will make your life difficult. I did not want the situation to escalate and did what I could to ensure that with both my demeanor and my actions (i.e. not acquiescing).
condition 6....i just leave the slide at home and take the frame
condition 6....i just leave the slide at home and take the frame
This may have been said already, but giving thought to how many times I have heard of someone impersonating a officer,
and the increase of undercover cars in the area,
Giving a firearm to anyone I did not known, especially during a simple traffic stop,
seems like not giving up your firearm and keeping your hands visibly shown, would be the only safe option for everyone
I carry in condition 7... I leave the gun unloaded in the safe and carry around my iPhone with NES set as my internet homepage
Is that personal opinion or based on case law?
I'm not asking for what might be the right thing to do, just if you are required by law to be truthful
All so thinking if I handed over a firearm to an officer, with the off chance he was stupid enough to negligently discharge it for what ever reason
I would not think it would go well for me at this point, or that i would see that firearm again through an investigation, even with no fault of my own
At the risk of being called a troll - again - it is not up to you. You have no say in the matter. If the LEO wants your weapon he will take it one way or another. My preference would be to let him take it the easy way. If you insist on doing it the hard way, well, we will be reading about you here I guess.
As to whether this is legal or perhaps even a violation of your rights and grounds for compensation, that is a matter for the courts at a later date.
We get lied to all the time. No crime for lying to the cops. This Natick cop ( just my opinion of course) is a scaredy cat. He had his bluff called, and gave the lame dont wanna get shot in the head comment. We are taught from day one to think that everyone has a gun or a weapon or a pair of sweat socks thay they want to kill us with, so you act accordingly. This is why im curious as to this guys age. Once its established that there is a valid LTC present, theLEO cant confiscate your rosco under the officer safety umbrella. This, of course is in a perfect world. How each individual deals with his/her own scenario is gonna be different every time.Technically, I suppose not, but it may get you in a world of sh!t, if you do. Someone posted that lying to the Feds is a crime. I'm not sure. We need a LEO to clarify.
Hey that guy in NH that they had a BOLO out on recently stole like TWO cop cars... you never know!!!! ANYTHING could happen!!!!! ZOMG! /sarc
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We get lied to all the time. No crime for lying to the cops. This Natick cop ( just my opinion of course) is a scaredy cat. He had his bluff called, and gave the lame dont wanna get shot in the head comment. We are taught from day one to think that everyone has a gun or a weapon or a pair of sweat socks thay they want to kill us with, so you act accordingly. This is why im curious as to this guys age. Once its established that there is a valid LTC present, theLEO cant confiscate your rosco under the officer safety umbrella. This, of course is in a perfect world. How each individual deals with his/her own scenario is gonna be different every time.
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Each one of us has every say in the matter, and it is entirely up to that individual. You may believe such actions to be pointless, foolhardy, dangerous and counterproductive, etc. - and certainly few would argue that such actions would not be "the hard way". But it is up to that individual - not you, the LEO, the judge, prosecutor, jury or the witnesses unfortunate enough to see such a shitshow to determine their own course of action.
And that, sir, is why you come across as a troll.
At least to me.....
At the risk of being called a troll - again - it is not up to you. You have no say in the matter. If the LEO wants your weapon he will take it one way or another. My preference would be to let him take it the easy way. If you insist on doing it the hard way, well, we will be reading about you here I guess.
As to whether this is legal or perhaps even a violation of your rights and grounds for compensation, that is a matter for the courts at a later date.
We get lied to all the time. No crime for lying to the cops.
O’Rourke would have proven that Donovan lied to Boston Police detectives when he told them he didn’t know MARIO MENDEZ (D.O.B. 1/2/76), who was later identified as the alleged shooter, when they interviewed him in the hours and days following the shooting.
O’Rourke would also have proven that Donovan instructed a photographer who was taking pictures inside the club prior to the shooting to destroy any photographs of Mendez, including one that showed Donovan and Mendez together arm in arm.
Both offenses are covered under Chapter 268, Section 13B, of the Massachusetts General Laws. That statute provides criminal penalties for any person who willfully misleads a police investigator or harasses a potential witness “with the intent to impede, obstruct, delay, harm, punish or otherwise interfere thereby with a criminal investigation.”
Thisthe OP handled everything the cop did wrong, perfectly. and I didn't read anyone saying if the cop asks you if you have a gun you ignore him or lie to him. Just that there's no need to willingly supply that information if you aren't asked
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