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Rear Admiral to you.Tiny Tim?
And the accuser should have to pay FINANCIALLY CRUSHING punitive damages.Accuser has to pay attorney and storage fees if they lose
That, and false reporting is not likely to be enforced, and over-reporting is actually encouraged.
Mental health? I’m good with that.
Hardening schools? Good with that also.
Enhanced BG checks for 18-21? Not sure what that entails, but I don’t really see the need for it.
Red flag laws? I’d be ok with them except for the opportunity for abuse. On face value it makes sense to a point. If my neighbor has been smoking meth all day and has a pistol in his waistband while talking to satan, I’d call the cops before someone got hurt. Yeah the cops might shoot him, but I have no control over that.
What I was trying to say was that absent the inevitable abuse, it’s a good idea. Even if you take guns out of the equation, there should be a mechanism to seek help for someone you know who is at risk of hurting themselves or others.If this afternoon, you saw someone smoking meth with a pistol in their waistband and you called the cops, they ought to come, determine the person is intoxicated and armed and arrest him. I have to believe that it's illegal in some way.
Red Flag Laws will ONLY be used because someone's grandkid wants leverage to put pops in the nursing home, some Karen is frightened by her neighbor that hunts deer or other abuses.
There are other systemic problems that do allow people to slip through cracks, like catch and release.
Making something more illegaller won't stop future tragedies.
This already exists in most states, called an emergency involuntary 72 hour hold. Joe Blow states he wants to kill himself to his therapist. Joe and his therapist process his feelings for a bit and it’s clear that he is actively suicidal and has a plan. Therapist tells Joe that he wants him to voluntarily go the ED to have a psych eval to determine if he needs to go inpatient psych. Joe refuses and runs off into the night, police are called, and section 12 is issued. When the cops find Joe, they drag him to the ED to be evaluated. If he doesn’t meet inpatient level of care, they let him go with follow up appointments. If he does meet level of care, off he goes to a psych facility.What I was trying to say was that absent the inevitable abuse, it’s a good idea. Even if you take guns out of the equation, there should be a mechanism to seek help for someone you know who is at risk of hurting themselves or others.
This already exists in most states, called an emergency involuntary 72 hour hold. Joe Blow states he wants to kill himself to his therapist. Joe and his therapist process his feelings for a bit and it’s clear that he is actively suicidal and has a plan. Therapist tells Joe that he wants him to voluntarily go the ED to have a psych eval to determine if he needs to go inpatient psych. Joe refuses and runs off into the night, police are called, and section 12 is issued. When the cops find Joe, they drag him to the ED to be evaluated. If he doesn’t meet inpatient level of care, they let him go with follow up appointments. If he does meet level of care, off he goes to a psych facility.
all it takes is a 'conclusion' of some 'designated clinician' the family can pursue.Out of curiosity, can this Section 12 currently be issued at the request of family? Unrelated, "concerned" neighbors? Teachers? Or just a clinician?
Anybody know when the text of this disaster is supposed to be published?
It is well established that the driving age is below the age of majority.Honestly, might as well make 21 the driving age. And add owning property, everything else.
This already exists in most states, called an emergency involuntary 72 hour hold. Joe Blow states he wants to kill himself to his therapist. Joe and his therapist process his feelings for a bit and it’s clear that he is actively suicidal and has a plan. Therapist tells Joe that he wants him to voluntarily go the ED to have a psych eval to determine if he needs to go inpatient psych. Joe refuses and runs off into the night, police are called, and section 12 is issued. When the cops find Joe, they drag him to the ED to be evaluated. If he doesn’t meet inpatient level of care, they let him go with follow up appointments. If he does meet level of care, off he goes to a psych facility.
And your point is?It is well established that the driving age is below the age of majority.
FTFY.Dreaded Rear Admiral to you.
The argument of "lets move the driving age to 21 as well" is fundamentally different than those about moving other adult only limits (signing binding contracts, making own decisions about medical care, etc.) to 21.And your point is?
I’m trying to demonstrate that a process is in already in place and we don’t need red flag laws. If someone really wants to off themselves, they will find a way.If Joe Blow is serious enough and wants to kill "himself", Joe Blow will find a way and just do it. Everything in between Joe's incarceration and "treatment" and his final action is just a "legal out" for those involved in the process.
posted over in the red flag thread but worth showing here (Tucker Carlson pointed it out last night)…evidence the Democrats intend to use red flag laws against those who pose an ideological threat:
View: https://twitter.com/repswalwell/status/1182810984408387586?s=21&t=O0IFFZHxaar_d_y1MLFFsA
Didn't Swallowswell nut in a Chinese spy?
Anybody know when the text of this disaster is supposed to be published?
They have to pass it to know what's in it.Summaries will be published after it's passed. The details will only be available to prosecutors.
Honestly, might as well make 21 the driving age. And add owning property, everything else.
That would manage to inconvience people enough to pay attention. (at least those who have kids. )
The "Let them eat cake!" is coming up on our leaders, fast!
More people die from car accidents than rifles. Common sense applies right?It is well established that the driving age is below the age of majority.