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it's BULLSHIT ! LE doesn't make law. What a pile of shit
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Massachusetts Suppressor Legalization Alert
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MichaelJames1971,
The LEOs killing these bills are typically the most politicized and LEAST familiar with firearms. Do you want the dumbasses running the Watertown PD, whom have one of the worst licensing policies in the state and can't seem to not put bullets everywhere they shouldn't be including each other, determining what's best for the entire state?
Will Brownsberger was looking for an excuse to vote no since he hates or is afraid of guns. He and the rest of the antigun politicians have far too much unquestioned faith in LEO 'experts' that are anything but experts.
The LEOs killing these bills are typically the most politicized and LEAST familiar with firearms. Do you want the dumbasses running the Watertown PD, whom have one of the worst licensing policies in the state and can't seem to not put bullets everywhere they shouldn't be including each other, determining what's best for the entire state?
Will Brownsberger was looking for an excuse to vote no since he hates or is afraid of guns. He and the rest of the antigun politicians have far too much unquestioned faith in LEO 'experts' that are anything but experts.
I got this email also. If he thinks criminals aren't using suppressors because they're against the law I guess he doesn't know the definition of criminal. He mustn't realize that silencers add substantial length and some weight to the firearm and therefore make it harder to carry & conceal. Also criminals don't really care if the gun shot is heard because they'll be in almost all instances long gone before the police arrive.
How much help are these shot location devices?
I mean with all the nosy neighbors with Obama phones they would probably not need such a system.
I put loud pipes on my bike = get a fine
I put suppressor on my gun = go to jail
Dog barks too much = get a fine
Ball gag escort = go to jail
this state confuses me
I mean with all the nosy neighbors with Obama phones they would probably not need such a system.
I put loud pipes on my bike = get a fine
I put suppressor on my gun = go to jail
Dog barks too much = get a fine
Ball gag escort = go to jail
this state confuses me
I understand your frustration, but bear in mind that LEOs were instrumental in letting the National AWB 'expire', because they were able to verify that ARs didn't have a noticeable contribution to the commission of crime. Elected leaders who aren't "in the trenches" on these subjects generally defer their judgment on these issues to those that ARE. That's life, deal with it and play the game - if you want gun legislation to go your way, you need to bring LEO voices to your point-of-view, and get them 'on-record' someway/somehow in support of the issue. Elected folks will fall in line and go along, and voila, stuff happens.
Of course they don't - but "Joe Politician" doesn't know squat about guns, so he's going to make some phone calls, and contact someone who HE considers a 'subject matter expert' on the topic, and that's his LEO Commanders, who he has on speed-dial. LEO Commanders give him the rundown on his "concerns" regarding a bill/idea, and Joe Politician says "okay, that's what I'll support and vote-on".....and there you have it.
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Ill settle for national repository and removing suppessors from NFA and treating them as any assessories.
Ill just buy mine out of state and keep them there.
Itll be the perfect situation in MA, criminals/terrorists will have supressors, but lawful Citizens wont.
A perfect utopia by MA standards.
Now what i am going to say is unpopular, at some point some shit bag will kill someone using a supressor equipped weapon... the snowflakes will say see "supressors kill people" so we can't have them, while ignoring the fact they are illegal and yet it still happened.
Supressors will reduce the noise complaint issue, but not eliminate it because we all know it's not the sound, but the 2nd amendment they hate.
[video]https://youtu.be/DlIeGSNvYuE[/video]
Ill just buy mine out of state and keep them there.
Itll be the perfect situation in MA, criminals/terrorists will have supressors, but lawful Citizens wont.
A perfect utopia by MA standards.
Now what i am going to say is unpopular, at some point some shit bag will kill someone using a supressor equipped weapon... the snowflakes will say see "supressors kill people" so we can't have them, while ignoring the fact they are illegal and yet it still happened.
Supressors will reduce the noise complaint issue, but not eliminate it because we all know it's not the sound, but the 2nd amendment they hate.
[video]https://youtu.be/DlIeGSNvYuE[/video]
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Who are the LEO who are against it?
They phantoms , or do they have names?
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Other than sock puppet boy Evans of course.
If criminals wanted suppressors to commit their crimes there would be a black market for suppressors and they would have them. Suppressors just aren't that useful for criminals.
I'd venture a guess it's the Mass Chiefs of Police Association pulling a, "Herrr Durrr Muh Authoritay!" just like they did to kill the Katrina Confiscation ban and parts of the 2014 MA licensing changes which would have put them on the defensive in court for arbitrary bullshit.
No other police organizations or chiefs in the state are going to cross the blue line to support us. Any openly pro-gun chief or police organization in state is going to get attacked by the media and union lynch mob for not conforming. They will be bullied out of funding and maybe lose their pensions, which is the ultimate WE OWN YOU SERVANT card politicians play against public employees.
Nationally it was different with the AWB and FBI/DoJ/ATF statistics showing the massive drop in crime 1994-2004 having nothing to do with the ban. Since 2004 the number of states adopting looser carry laws have provided even more data that gun control laws do not reduce the rate of crime. It's just that their legislatures at least look at data rather than whoring themselves out for Sugar Daddy Bloomberg's honey money.
Unless we get a pro-gun Speaker of the House or a Supreme Court willing to issue rulings backed up by the DoJ's enforcement this state will never change.
I highly doubt rank and file cops have an opinion on the matter either way. Most are as ignorant about guns as the general populace. This comes from the Chief's who are basically politicians at this point.
https://willbrownsberger.com/noise-suppressors-on-firearms/
Constituent omment thread @ Senator Brownbergers' website. Looks like it is being packed by the antis with only Hollywood knowledge. Maybe NES can turn the tide with facts?
Constituent omment thread @ Senator Brownbergers' website. Looks like it is being packed by the antis with only Hollywood knowledge. Maybe NES can turn the tide with facts?
And, what, exactly, are the Pro-2A populace doing about that? Nothing....but complaining....as-usual.
OMFG.. Some of these nutjobs are my neighbors. We need to start spiking the water supply with antipsychotic meds or something.
Okay, clearly you are either an LEO shill or just an idiot. MCOPA is the lobbying org that the chiefs of police have, not all of them are members but it is rabidly anti gun. They try to kill any gun bill that loosens anything, no matter if it has any chance of hurting LEOs. The rank and file are just as ignorant, but generally don't care that much. They will never be with us no matter what we tell them, teach them or beg of them.
No cop is ever going to lobby openly for the 2A, it would kill their career (Their chief likely hates guns) and it is usually prohibited for them to make any political statement as a cop rather than a private person because it would be seen as the opinion of their whole department. There are cops, individually that are on our side, those are the good guys but they are in no position to help us officially and their organizations are generally anti gun and lobby that way.
Something like 6% of the state is licensed. Half or more of licensees don't really care. So maybe 3% care. What can 3% do when over half the state eats out of the hands of the left?
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I had them in the back of my mind when i posted, but as far as that goes that 3% hasn't done much either.
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Are you aware of the fact that about FIFTEEN reported cases per YEAR in which a silencer/suppressor is used in the commission of a crime?
And YOU want to LEGALIZE them after a STUDY?!
Cretin.
The blood will literally flow in the streets when silencers are legalized and the worst of it is... nobody will HEAR it...
LEO support will not materialize after a study. Only a moron would believe such, therefore you're trolling. The reason that our legislators and police are so against silencers is stupidity, and perhaps Hollywood movies.
Here's a thought. Instead of focusing on the YUGE percentage of silencer equipped criminals (that figure by the way is 0.001% of all crimes per year) we find some actual criminals that mug old ladies for bingo money or something?
cites:
https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/files/2015/02/Silencer-caselaw.pdf
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/latest-crime-statistics-released
Crazy. For one, Boston uses shot spotter and has for some time. Doesn't seem to be changing things much as far as gang shootings and apprehensions go. Second, the Shot Spotter manufacturer claims their system works even when people use suppressors. This also seems obvious since gunshots can get muffled by all sorts of things in a city. If it doesn't work on suppressed shots it wouldn't be likely to work at all.
Finally, as others have brought up, supressors are used in very, very few crimes. Most gang gun violence involves handguns for concealment and portability. Being quiet is usually not a large concern.
Also, you are apparently part of the 3+% of MA gun owners that is part of the problem. If you think suppressors are an issue, you don't know what the 2A means.
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"Study" in MA legislative speak is "kill".
Newbies always get excited when their bill is "referred to study" .... as if someone will actually "study" their bill.
Newbies always get excited when their bill is "referred to study" .... as if someone will actually "study" their bill.
So how does the shot spotter work in Boston? Does it just permanently point to Dorchester, Roxbury, Mattapan, and Jamaica Plain?
Lol. All it really needs to say is check blue hills Ave
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And your suggestion is talking to rank and file cops to educate them... when it has been discussed and outlined that they have ZERO decision making powers. Most Chiefs are a political appointment, especially those in larger towns and cities that wield the most influence. Ironically enough the MCCOPA or whatever it is referred to as called my house this week seeking donations.
I wrote my legislators expressing my support of the bill, I have voted for those who have demonstrated similar views on what matters to me and mine. I was at the State House demonstrating my displeasure following 7/20. In a state where people like me are outnumbered 10 to 1 you think the solution is talking to beat cops? That's YOUR suggestion. Got it.
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Oooooh boy reading through Will B's website is a doozy of Hollywood fears and fallacies. I've never seen so many fearful & ignorant people respond to one of his requests for feedback before even on controversial issues. Virtually everyone responding thinks suppressors are commonly used by criminals and are virtually silent. Totally oblivious to the way they really work, how controlled they are, and that they are legal in 84% of states without issue. I think the Mommys must have sent out a mass mailing on this bill to scare up some serious confirmation bias with our elected officials.
All the way back in 2012, the ShotSpotter system in Boston was automatically pointing surveillance cameras in the direction of the shots, and was integrated real-time with the GPS trackers of parolees and probationers. Imagine how much that has advanced since then. As of maybe a year ago, the roof of Boston Medical Center had at least one SpotSpotter component, which is probably the right place for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8lyCqZZW0E
Although it didn't work so well in Troy NY at the same time....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAmUfDUQjWg
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