Mass shooting @ Baptist church Sutherland Springs, Texas

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From England ,they have more real news about the states than all msm put together.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5052815/Hero-tackled-armed-shooter-left-church.html
Willeford, a local plumber with no military experience, is however an excellent shot according to the resident, and when he came face to face with Kelley, he shot in between his body armor, hitting him in his side.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5052815/Hero-tackled-armed-shooter-left-church.html#ixzz4xgqS9SDH
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Someone buy this man a beer!
 

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Someone buy this man a beer!
Willeford, a local plumber with no military experience, is however an excellent shot according to the resident, and when he came face to face with Kelley, he shot in between his body armor, hitting him in his side.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4xgqS9SDH
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This precisely illustrates the point I was making a number of comments ago.

The good guy shooter left his house with a half empty mag - threw some rounds in his pocket - and went out to take the guy on.

When faced with the active shooter - he shot the guy between the armor.

What's the likelihood that this same scenario would have played out if police were involved? Either the body shot thru the armor with minimal expenditure of rounds - or the minimal expenditure of rounds itself?

I think that chance is between slim and none.

You're far safer with armed citizens protecting you than you are with the police.

Plenty of pics of bullet holes in people's homes, chairs, and cars in this article:

http://news.wgbh.org/post/lingering-questions-surround-circumstances-watertown-shootout
 

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Sorry for your situation, they’re the most qualified to opine on guns. Just like these “Moms”: https://youtu.be/Mq-2QVczje0

Sources for AR15 used against the loser.

From England : http://www.faithwire.com/2017/11/06/meet-the-hero-plumber-who-woke-up-from-a-nap-and-immediately-confronted-the-texas-church-killer/

From Johnnie Langendorf himself:

https://youtu.be/0FnozfBGq8g
The youtube link has Langendorf saying on-camera that the suspect had an AR-15, with text added that both had one? The other link is faith wire, no idea what their source is. Not saying it didn't happen, I'm just waiting for something reputable to report the weapon that Willeford used.
 

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The part where the plumber (Stephen Willeford) shoots the perp made my day!
Also to the guy (Johnnie Langendorf) in the truck that helped him!
Real men, both patriots trying their best so evil is stopped at all costs!


Bravo Hero Texans![iwojima]

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The character found in the above two men are what I expect out of those that are called "The President of the United States"!

Not the losers this country has had in the last 50 years!

These two Texans deserve a trip to the White house and a thank you from the President!
Just as nice would be Colt donating them both AR-15 model 6920 rifles!
 
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The youtube link has Langendorf saying on-camera that the suspect had an AR-15, with text added that both had one? The other link is faith wire, no idea what their source is. Not saying it didn't happen, I'm just waiting for something reputable to report the weapon that Willeford used.
I would re-listen to 0:30-0:51 again. The guy being interviewed is the driver of the truck who chased the bad guy talking about the good guy with a gun who shot the bad guy.

Am I missing something?
 

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Sorry for your situation, they’re the most qualified to opine on guns. Just like these “Moms”: https://youtu.be/Mq-2QVczje0

Sources for AR15 used against the loser.

From England : http://www.faithwire.com/2017/11/06/meet-the-hero-plumber-who-woke-up-from-a-nap-and-immediately-confronted-the-texas-church-killer/

From Johnnie Langendorf himself:

https://youtu.be/0FnozfBGq8g
Nice video.

- - - Updated - - -

Well it's just more proof the NICS system is flawed and ineffective. The only way that it will be made better is if families of victims are allowed to sue the FBI or local/state police agencies or military justice for failing to provide information to the NICS.
More lawrs won't fix incompetent (and corrupt) government.
 

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The youtube link has Langendorf saying on-camera that the suspect had an AR-15, with text added that both had one? The other link is faith wire, no idea what their source is. Not saying it didn't happen, I'm just waiting for something reputable to report the weapon that Willeford used.
I would re-listen to 0:30-0:51 again. The guy being interviewed is the driver of the truck who chased the bad guy talking about the good guy with a gun who shot the bad guy.

Am I missing something?
That is kind of the way I first interpreted it, then thought about it and it sounded like he was asking what kind of gun the perp had, not the good guy.
 

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Once I realized I was a criminal - it was like a weight was off my shoulders.

I don't really give a shit what the "law" is any more - and I don't really pay attention to the spew that comes out of the State House.
Exactly...one felony, two felony, three felony, four....who gives shit if they add a few more?
 

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My wife and I were just discussing this and when I mentioned those 2 guys, she said she hoped it would turn out that the scumbag took his own life so those 2 wouldn't get into trouble. It's sad that many in Ma think like this and worse that they think the rest of the country thinks the same way.
 

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The Air Force never entered his disciplinary record into the record. That's how he fell through the cracks.

Gov. Fail yet again.
Channel 7 reported the same thing that the Air Force never reported his criminal record to the FBI so it was not in the NCIC/NICS check
 

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My wife and I were just discussing this and when I mentioned those 2 guys, she said she hoped it would turn out that the scumbag took his own life so those 2 wouldn't get into trouble. It's sad that many in Ma think like this and worse that they think the rest of the country thinks the same way.
If they charge those two with anything I am happy to contribute to their defense fund... I am sure thousands of other will as well.
 

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My wife and I were just discussing this and when I mentioned those 2 guys, she said she hoped it would turn out that the scumbag took his own life so those 2 wouldn't get into trouble. It's sad that many in Ma think like this and worse that they think the rest of the country thinks the same way.
I think in MA the hero absolutely would be put away for the rest of his life. After all, he actually chased down the bad guy, rather than back into a corner and hide then defend himself as a last resort. When has that ever worked out for someone legally in MA?
 
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Channel 7 reported the same thing that the Air Force never reported his criminal record to the FBI so it was not in the NCIC/NICS check
WSJ is reporting this as well. Way to go folks. At least the moron was employed under Obozo
 

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If they charge those two with anything I am happy to contribute to their defense fund... I am sure thousands of other will as well.
Considering everything I've heard out of Texas sounds like "See? This is why more people should carry at church.", including Sheriffs, ministers, etc. I think these guys are about as far from being arrested as you can get. But I second the sentiment.
 

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I would re-listen to 0:30-0:51 again. The guy being interviewed is the driver of the truck who chased the bad guy talking about the good guy with a gun who shot the bad guy.

Am I missing something?
Yeah you’re missing the part where you call me an idiot...

i listened to it initially twice, specifically looking for the information on the citizens gun, and even though the reporter and Langendorf were TALKING ABOUT WILLEFORD when the reporter asked “What kind of gun did he have?” I still misheard.

Not sure if my mind was conflating Langendorf and Willeford behind the scenes or what, even though I knew he was the driver that picked Willeford up.

thanks again for the links and being patient while I ate crayons and watched movies...
 

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I think in MA the hero absolutely would be put away for the rest of his life. After all, he actually chased down the bad guy, rather than back into a corner and hide then defend himself as a last resort. When has that ever worked out for someone legally in MA?
In fairness, and I’m NOT even remotely saying the bystanders shouldn’t have taken care of business, police response time in much of MA is likely quicker than in rural TX. it took the plumber time to tool up and engage; maybe MA cops would have been there by then.

Maybe not. We’ll never know, but I’m not so sure this wouldn’t be a good shoot even here. The positive coverage of the two bystanders has surprised and impressed me.
 

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It's Texas. They won't be charged, but there might be a ticker tape parade you can contribute to.

If they charge those two with anything I am happy to contribute to their defense fund... I am sure thousands of other will as well.
 

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In fairness, and I’m NOT even remotely saying the bystanders shouldn’t have taken care of business, police response time in much of MA is likely quicker than in rural TX. it took the plumber time to tool up and engage; maybe MA cops would have been there by then.

Maybe not. We’ll never know, but I’m not so sure this wouldn’t be a good shoot even here. The positive coverage of the two bystanders has surprised and impressed me.
I'm impressed by the coverage, and even if in MA, they may try and charge them with something, or take away their gun rights, but they would get a NATIONAL response of torches and pitchforks that would make that little bitch Maura's head spin. Govenor Fakers office would be fielding all sorts of delicious calls I'm sure. In the court of public opinion, they win.
 

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God bless those two guys.
The one that engaged him had never been shot at in his life , but nutted up and did what he had to do.
Apparently he managed to snake one in between the body armor panels under fire from the pos.
The dirtbag called his father and told him he'd been shot and didn't think he was going to make it.

The guy driving the truck is every bit the hero in my eyes.
He could have just kept driving and stayed out of harms way.

Prayers for all those affected by this.

And Ron White was right, In Texas we kill you back
 

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The Air Force never entered his disciplinary record into the record. That's how he fell through the cracks.

Gov. Fail yet again.
Channel 7 reported the same thing that the Air Force never reported his criminal record to the FBI so it was not in the NCIC/NICS check
Fox News just reported that the USAF didn't report his conviction and BCD to the FBI.
Actually, this really doesn't surprise me.

Probably some airman that was responsible for forwarding that info to the CJIS/NCIS just blew it off, had work piled up,
decided to call it day, lack of communication and/or supervision,etc and it never made it into the system.

4 years in the Army, we did shit like this all time... call it lack of motivation, not giving a ****, cutting corners, it happened
all the time.

Then again... it could have been a simple oversight.
 
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The dead scumbag should have been prohibited even if his discharge was technically not dishonorable and the exact conditions of the Laughtenturd amendment weren't met. One of the charges he was convicted of was assault and battery on his child, under the age of 16. That carries a maximum sentence of 2 years confinement. That makes him prohibited regardless of anything else, if the charges are entered into the system: Thank you US Air Force [rolleyes]
 
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If you can be trusted in society, you can be trusted with firearms, period. Blaming the NICS helps the anti's, because the only solution to inefficiencies of government bureaucracy is.....you guessed it, more bureaucracy!
 

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If you can be trusted in society, you can be trusted with firearms, period. Blaming the NICS helps the anti's, because the only solution to inefficiencies of government bureaucracy is.....you guessed it, more bureaucracy!
This. "Your bureaucracy ****ed the dog. The only one who can protect me is... me."

Funny how that happens to jibe with jurisprudence, a la Warren.
 
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