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Mass shooting @ Baptist church Sutherland Springs, Texas

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Waher, Nov 5, 2017.

  1. Uzi2

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    I encourage anyone who carries to actively break the state laws and local venue policies at every opportunity. Nobody is looking out for your safety and if you don't do it for yourself and your fellow citizens(antifa commies and homicidal mudslimes deliberately excluded as they are NOT your fellow citizens they are proven enemies) then your shit is in the breeze.

    This is NOT a fuvcking game anymore folks, this is a publicly declared war. Grab your damned bootstraps and do what is necessary to preserve your way of life.

     
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  2. wahsben

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    Yes, I know. I was responding to Preppers question. It's good that someone was outside the church to engage him. It's a shame that no one in the church was able to engage him. At least it appears that way from reports so far.
     
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    For years I have heard gun grabbers and leftists say shit like " If it saves just one life".

    How many lives did that armed citizen save?

    Then I've also constantly heard them say " the police are there to protect you ".

    Doesn't seem like it . Where the hell were they when this whole thing went down.

    Another constant refrain from leftist gun grabber types is : " only the police are adequately trained to use a weapon "

    Really ? How many shots did this armed citizen take? I bet he didn't empty one magazine. If the police were there - they would have gone thru their whole ammunition budget in 5 minutes. I bet if somebody sat down and did an actual source verified study the amount of ammunition expended by the police during an incident like this church shooting, vs. that expended by an armed citizen is exponentially different. This is important because firstly all those bullets go somewhere. And secondly because it's yet another data point that exposes left wing anti-gun bullshit.
     
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  4. Uzi2

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    So, you agree with my post correct?
     
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    TL;DW
     
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  7. Rob Boudrie

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    CNN reported that the shooter (the bad one) was denied a carry permit.
     
  8. BREWINZ

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    Do you need one to buy a rifle in TX?
     
  9. Uzi2

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    Ironically, so are hundreds or thousands of good people in MA and a few other communist areas because of the "may issue" clause.

    So, he bought a rifle instead.
     
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    In Texas, that would only prohibit carry off one's property. It wouldn't in itself prohibit purchase of hand guns or long guns.

    That brings up a question though. It now appears that he was convicted in military court of domestic violence and served a year before he was given a Bad Conduct Discharge. From what I've read a BCD does not make one a Prohibited Person, while a Dishonorable Discharge does.

    Would a conviction in a military court show up in a NICS or other background check? Does the military court system enter stuff into NCIC as do civilian courts? Under the Lautenberg Amendment, he disqualified for life. That's if the information is in the system.

    Rob, any idea?


     
  11. Uzi2

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    Absolutely not!....or a handgun for that matter. A driver's license is all that's necessary for either.
     
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    Apples - Oranges. Texas licenses to carry only cover open and concealed carry off of one's property. There is no permit or license needed to buy a firearm and keep it in one's home.

     
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    I believe it has been confirmed that due to his disciplinary charges in the military, as well as the Domestic Violence, he was a PP.
     
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    That was established yesterday eve but MSM has been reluctant to lead/report on that fact because it doesnt fit the desired leftist narrative
     
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    Prohibited from buying a gun. From an FFL who would do the 4473 background check.

    Is the 'gunshow loophole' alive and well in TX? Could he have bought his guns from a private seller without a check? Queue the Giffords...
     
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    Yes, I know, I lived there for four years. My point was that the denial of a carry permit "for cause" in Texas is a whole lot different than a denial of a carry permit in MA or other communist venue due to a "may issue" clause in the law.....enabling chiefs of police to discriminate for any number of reasons.

    There was no law prohibiting open carry on your person in Texas when I lived there and I routinely had a gun sitting openly on my passenger seat or in the glove compartment. Concealed carry was prohibited unless one was an employed security guard, military or a police officer.
    Not until Suzanna Hupp's parents were killed in Luby's Cafeteria did concealed carry come to the state. I lived one street from the place several years previous.
     
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    Possibly, private sellers are apparently common in the middle of the country. When I was at a gun show in Indiana this Summer there had to have been about half a dozen private sellers with guns, but they were mostly old handguns, Colt's and H&R's. I think it's more likely this POS had that rifle in his possession well before he did time in military prison or discharged.
     
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    Now that the dust is starting to settle it's pretty clear that two good ole boys got in a truck with a rifle and took care of business. Finally!
     
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    Years (2 decades really) ago when I lived in Colorado folks would have guns available at yard sales. No big deal.
     
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    Most people also believed in personal responsibility 20 years ago, too. Today, not so much. [thinking]
     
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    It's a shame what's happened to CO during that time. I grew up there as well, on the front range, the lunatics are running the asylum now. The hordes who have flooded in from CA have not helped.
     
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    Supposedly he bought it at Academy, so he would have lied on the 4473 and somehow passed a NICS check. Could have had his wife straw purchase as well if my first sentence ends up incorrect.
     
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    How would his past not be in the NICS system? Fail!
     
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    I'm thinking probably straw purchase or a "birthday gift" type of situation.
     
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    #this #seriously


    #andthis
     
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    Per reason, he was denied a TX CCP but passed four background checks to purchase firearms.

    Someone ****ed up. His military conviction was a domestic violence one. Per current law he should have been a PP and that conviction should have been in NICS and resulted in a denial when he went to purchase.

    http://reason.com/blog/2017/11/06/what-we-know-so-far-about-the-texas-chur
     
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    Apparently, he bought the rifle from an FFL in April 2016. Somehow passing the Background Check after his court-martial in 2012 and his discharge from the Air Force.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-06/heres-what-we-know-about-texas-church-shooter-devin-kelley
     
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