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MA: Deval to Introduce New Gun Legislation Today
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Jason Flare
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The media is complicit and I believe there is no way they will entertain a logical pro 2A argument. They want control. They need to take our guns to get it.
I don't think the media (at least the mainstream media) would ask that. I haven't seen even one thing where the MSM asks why the AWB in CT didn't prevent Sandy Hook. Have you ever seen anyone in the MSM ask why the federal AWB didn't prevent Columbine? Instead they always ask "what new laws do we need to prevent this from happening again?" The media is the propaganda arm of the Big Government party. They never ask why do we keep ineffective laws on the books (aka why don't we shrink the size of government since it's not effective), and instead ask how should we expand the government.
Look at the war on drugs. Have you ever seen a reporter for any MSM outlet ask anyone in the government, be they a politician, DEA agent, law enforcement, etc, about the failure of the WOD? Even with a complete prohibition on many drugs, when there are major drug busts at schools, or incidents where people OD and die, or raids on the wrong house in which innocent people or dogs get shot, the ineffectiveness of the current laws is never questioned, unless they're saying we need new laws so they can be effective.
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I tried finding subsection (C) of MGL 131e, but could only fight subsections (A) and (B).
Anyone have (C)?
Their ad pissed off the left because it is true, while I believe they should be doing other things, attacking and ridiculing Oama is not a bad strategy.
Two rules apply to what they are doing:
RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
It is a bad strategy IMO. First off, he won the election. Second, you have lots of people on the fence, and this ad makes the NRA look like it is only catering to it's 4 million members and gun manufacturers. What about the other 80 M gun owners that don't belong to the NRA.
I know many gun owners who are not super pro 2a, liberty minded etc. They want to keep a pistol in the bedroom for safety and rifle to hunt duck/deer, etc. They are not on these forums, they don't go to defensivecarry, ar15, etc. They don't OC or CC. They hope never to use the pistol, and take out the rifle 3x a year if they can get a hunting permit. They do view the NRA as the fringe. They have no problem signing up for registration of gun purchases.
I think they are going about it all wrong. They need to educate the public, not cater only to the 4M. They are at best going to win some battles, but the lose the whole war.
CrackPot
NES Member
So he wants FTF transfers to occur at a dealer. Since a dealer can't transfer guns not on the "lists" does this mean no more transfer of non "list" guns is possible? I know, the legislation is not filed and we don't know the answer, but the implications of this requirement are troubling because of other brain dead rules/laws.
Convoluted laws: the avg citizen who owns guns (not any of us mind you) will not bust out legal books to perfectly understand the laws. They will either get rid of their guns, or just throw them in a closet and ignore them. It happened with the first mass awb and it will happen again.
Crappy legislation like this makes good normally law abiding citizens criminals.
And this is the best we can do in this country?
Crappy legislation like this makes good normally law abiding citizens criminals.
And this is the best we can do in this country?
Deval is saying we need to accelerate growth. Where's S&W leveraging their clout? He's quick to take the jobs they add and take credit, now he wants to cut their throat and they sit back silently. S&W holds huge power in this state. Colt had no problem using it in CT and it worked. Unless they are doing this behind the chaos I'm not impressed! Do we need to start hassling them too?
Ben Cartwright SASS
NES Member
One thing that was on boston.com as being in Linsky's plan (not Deval's that I could see) is the requirement that AW's be kept at your local gun club or range. No club that I know of is set up to do that.
Also is anyone old enough or been in the state long enough, neither Linsky or Deval qualify, to remember when the criminal groups used to knock over the National Guard Armory's? Putting all the club members AW's in one place is like a "Toys R Us" for criminals, they only have to knock it over when no one is around.
Also is anyone old enough or been in the state long enough, neither Linsky or Deval qualify, to remember when the criminal groups used to knock over the National Guard Armory's? Putting all the club members AW's in one place is like a "Toys R Us" for criminals, they only have to knock it over when no one is around.
Ben Cartwright SASS
NES Member
Here is the text of his proposals (Oh also a gun show is now anywhere a single dealer, or more, get together to sell guns, so Four Seasons is now a gun show!)
http://www.mass.gov/governor/legisl...-to-strengthen-and-enhance-firearms-laws.html
People flamed me about worrying about 7 round magazines, well here is the new law, if enacted, it says within one year you have to sell or dispose of anything that HAS or can be readily converted to hold more than 10 rounds must be sold or disposed of![[rofl]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/013.gif "ROFL [rofl]")
SECTION 6. Said section 121 of chapter 140 of the General Laws, as so appearing, is hereby further amended by striking out, in lines 57-62, the words “a large capacity ammunition feeding device as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(31) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994.” and inserting in place thereof the following words:- containing more than seven rounds of ammunition; or (iii) obtained after the effective date of this act and capable of accepting, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than seven rounds of ammunition.
SECTION 25. Said section 131M of chapter 140 of the General Laws, as so appearing, is hereby further amended by adding the following paragraph:-
Any large capacity feeding device that has or can readily be restored or converted to accept more than ten rounds of ammunition that was legally possessed by an individual prior to the enactment of this act must be sold or otherwise lawfully disposed of within one year of the act’s effective date. Such large capacity feeding devices may only be sold or disposed of to a purchaser authorized to possess such weapons.
We need to flood them with feedback!
http://www.mass.gov/governor/legisl...-to-strengthen-and-enhance-firearms-laws.html
People flamed me about worrying about 7 round magazines, well here is the new law, if enacted, it says within one year you have to sell or dispose of anything that HAS or can be readily converted to hold more than 10 rounds must be sold or disposed of
SECTION 6. Said section 121 of chapter 140 of the General Laws, as so appearing, is hereby further amended by striking out, in lines 57-62, the words “a large capacity ammunition feeding device as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(31) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994.” and inserting in place thereof the following words:- containing more than seven rounds of ammunition; or (iii) obtained after the effective date of this act and capable of accepting, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than seven rounds of ammunition.
SECTION 25. Said section 131M of chapter 140 of the General Laws, as so appearing, is hereby further amended by adding the following paragraph:-
Any large capacity feeding device that has or can readily be restored or converted to accept more than ten rounds of ammunition that was legally possessed by an individual prior to the enactment of this act must be sold or otherwise lawfully disposed of within one year of the act’s effective date. Such large capacity feeding devices may only be sold or disposed of to a purchaser authorized to possess such weapons.
We need to flood them with feedback!
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I plan on contacting s&w and inquire about their agenda in light of these proposed infringements.
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namedpipes
NES Member
Stop outing State Secrets and grow a pair of eyes on the back of your head. The Mexican drug cartels paid good money to the US for that clause in the ban. It's all part of Fast & Furious, Phase II.
I can't imagine a club would want the liability of storing firearms.
I'm sure that's the point. Plus they won't be able to obtain insurance due to the fact that it would be a shopping cart for anyone to get their hands on. The objective is to appear as though they are working with us and within 2a when in reality it is a end game attempt to get around it.
I could not agree more.
SteelShooter
NES Member
And not everyone belongs to a range or gun club, and then not every range allows the "AW" in the range for shooting. Definitely one where they want to appear "Common Sense" but will ultimately not allow you to own one.
JuergenG
NES Member
That's the same bullshit the leftists wanted to ram down our throats, too, but for ANY guns AND ammo.
At last, those in power realized that this is a very bad idea.
Seems like the antis are networking globally and trade the craziest of their wet dreams.
JuergenG
NES Member
It's not just S&W, not a peep on Glock's or SIGSauer's sites, too.
warwickben
bubba Kalashnikov
Me too
Couple of questions related to this part:
"SECTION 21. Section 131E of chapter 140 of the General Laws, as so appearing, is hereby amended by inserting after subsection (b) the following subsection:-
(c) No person, other than an exempt person as defined in this subsection, shall purchase, rent or lease more than 1 rifle, shotgun, firearm, machine gun, large capacity weapon or large capacity feeding device in any 30-day period"
Does this proposed legislation change the definition of 'large capacity' to 7? The above suggests a person could still buy large cap weapons or magazines, yet elsewhere anything over 10 rounds is outright banned after the date of the law.
Also, does the above mean that if I bought a magazine, I would have to wait 30 days to buy another magazine or gun? (i.e, one gun a month is also one mag a month?)
"SECTION 21. Section 131E of chapter 140 of the General Laws, as so appearing, is hereby amended by inserting after subsection (b) the following subsection:-
(c) No person, other than an exempt person as defined in this subsection, shall purchase, rent or lease more than 1 rifle, shotgun, firearm, machine gun, large capacity weapon or large capacity feeding device in any 30-day period"
Does this proposed legislation change the definition of 'large capacity' to 7? The above suggests a person could still buy large cap weapons or magazines, yet elsewhere anything over 10 rounds is outright banned after the date of the law.
Also, does the above mean that if I bought a magazine, I would have to wait 30 days to buy another magazine or gun? (i.e, one gun a month is also one mag a month?)
xtry51
NES Member
Deval needs to stop copying NY and CT, Casino's and 7rnd mags, be original!
If we wanted to live in NY/CT then we would ... argg!!!![[angry]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/008.gif "Angry [angry]")
Hey, in case you haven't noticed, we don't have a proposal on the table yet to go to 7rds. Not saying it won't happen, just saying you're not "following" CT. If anything Deval passing it in your state is going to give Malloy the balls to go for broke. Remember we still have 30rd mags here.
I think it's worth noting that the state in which the incident occurred that sparked this whole debate, NOT A SINGLE NEW GUN LAW HAS BEEN PASSED.
Everyone knows I'm not a fan of CT and I'll be moving to NH probably even sooner than expected should something pass. However, don't blame us for your state's continued assault on freedom. Take that energy and stand up for yourselves.
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