Long Island gun stores raided

Too many D.A's/LE agencies have their heads shoved way too far up their ass these days. Sadly this DA is probably pumping himself up to run for a higher elected office in the future. You know he can run as "tough on crime".
 
delgrifith said:
Too many D.A's/LE agencies have their heads shoved way too far up their ass these days. Sadly this DA is probably pumping himself up to run for a higher elected office in the future. You know he can run as "tough on crime".
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Well someday it will come back to bite them in the ass. They think draconian style law can last and they can operate with impunity no matter how unconstitutionally they behave. Someday the scotus hammer will drop on them, and when it does, I hope they have a monster.com profile, because their careers and pension will be out the window.
 
Oh No! Not collapsible stocks. Those are so much deadlier than your everyday run of the mill fixed stock! Oh the horror! (sarcasm)
 
OK how long until the state of Massachusetts tries this little trick ? I give them about a month to see how well it worked in Long Island and they will be beating down the doors of the Firearm Dealers in Mass. This is actually making me ill just thinking about it. I hope the DA in Long Island gets a hemorrhoid becuase it will cover his entire body then everyone will know him/her for the a**h*** they really are.
 
Bill Katt said:
WTF!!! Wouldn't that be about the same as arresting someone for having a "sawed off" shotgun because "IF" you take a hacksaw to that full length barrel, you could saw it off "IF" you wanted to? [hmmm] [puke]
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So if you have a shotgun and a hacksaw in your house at the same time, watch out!!!! [sad2][sad2][sad2]
 
longislandfirearms source thread: http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum/m-1297951650.11837/

Not very informative, and a little worrying. From the wording there, it seems that they're claiming that it's illegal to "alter" the config (stock, FH/brake, bayo lug).

Anyone have better details on what exactly the claims are? I don't feel like getting nailed for "temporarily installing an A2 stock and pinned flash hider where fully functional ones could later be installed."

Absolutely unbelievable. [thinking]
 
This is total bullshit, and won't likely hold up in court. It has been long established by precedent that pinning the "evil" adjustable stock renders it no longer an evil feature, and compliant with the ban. If by some stretch they do pull it off, though, it will open a huge can of worms for us in MA, once they catch wind of it. Let's face it, any item you alter to make it ban compliant can be reversed. Even cutting off the bayo lug would just require replacing the front gas block.[rolleyes] Pinned brake? Once again, a few minutes with a drill, or dremel, and you are back to a threaded barrel, but yet all of these things are currently accepted methods of converting these rifles in AWB compliance.[rolleyes]
 
Terminator03 said:
This is total bullshit, and won't likely hold up in court. It has been long established by precedent that pinning the "evil" adjustable stock renders it no longer an evil feature, and compliant with the ban. If by some stretch they do pull it off, though, it will open a huge can of worms for us in MA, once they catch wind of it. Let's face it, any item you alter to make it ban compliant can be reversed. Even cutting off the bayo lug would just require replacing the front gas block.[rolleyes] Pinned brake? Once again, a few minutes with a drill, or dremel, and you are back to a threaded barrel, but yet all of these things are currently accepted methods of converting these rifles in AWB compliance.[rolleyes]
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Not to mention, any competent machinist can just cut threads on any barrel!
 
Sigh
The zombie apocalypse cant come soon enough, the sight of brain hungry zombies feasting on brain dead politicians and the sheeple will make me giggle.
 
You can't make this shit up really...

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/5-LI-Gun-Shops-Charged-With-Selling-Assault-Weapons-116429749.html

Nine people on Long Island have been accused of illegally selling assault weapons that had been modified to appear as if they were no longer semi-automatic.

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One suspect, Martin Tretola of Bellmore, "went so far as to demonstrate to undercover officers how to remove a temporary fixed stock and replace it with a collapsible one," Rice said.
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Authorities said the weapons were rigged so that they would no longer automatically reload -- a fix that was easy to reverse.
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Basically by their crap they are trying to spew ANY ability to change out the butt stock now makes it illegal
 
xtry51 said:
Yeah, but I doubt they're selling guns off the shelf like that! LOL
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You never know. I mean, the article did say that they were set up to not be semiautomatic, but were easily convertible back to SA. It's either that, or they all had those DPMS pump uppers.
 
wait... am i missing something... and forgive me if its been stated and i missed it because im still just confused... but i have a pinned stock on my post ban AR.... and it came from the manufacture that way... so how is the gun shop responsible for the illegal actions of someone that bought a firearm from them?

That would be like the gov going after ford because my Mustang is too loud if i modify the exhaust on my own...

**Diclaimer** i would not modify my pinned stock more make the exhaust on my car illgal in any way***
 
It's for the children [rolleyes]

I wouldn't be surprised if the thugs on Beacon Hill think that this is a great idea and starts going after MA guns stores and owners for similar "infractions"
 
2 Bear Arms said:
So if you have a shotgun and a hacksaw in your house at the same time, watch out!!!! [sad2][sad2][sad2]
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bullseye said:
" CONSTRUCTIVE INTENT "
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Wouldn’t that be destructive intent? [wink]

But seriously, if the intent of the law regarding telescoping or collapsible stocks is to outlaw the evil look then it looks like they didn’t word the law properly. If the intent is to make it so you can’t hide a rifle by making it shorter then the legal rifle length then what’s the problem with a collapsible stock that in the collapsed (shortest) position the rifle is still long enough to be considered a rifle. So then the only thing a collapsible stock is doing is making it able to be longer then the minimum rifle length. So maybe we should call them extendable stocks. On my 556 carbine if the pinned telescoping stock is pinned to the shortest position the rifle is still over 26”. So all they are doing is making it harder for the smaller shooters to shoot comfortably.
 
The people who pass these kinds of laws and who overstep their bounds (as I think is clearly the case here in NY) hate gun owners, hate gun shops, and hate freedom. They hate the idea that we might be the slightest bit independent and can defend ourselves, rather than cower in fear and hope and pray that the cops arrive in time. They hate the idea that an armed populace will, in the last resort, resist their socialist/fascist policies by whatever means necessary.

I hope the DA loses their job, but they'll probably get a pat on the back instead.
 
Supermoto said:
It will be interesting to see if the DA comes after the buyers, in the past they have used the FFL's records to visit NYC residents when the purchased AR15s
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I think a quick pass around the collapsable stock tube with a mig welder should provide you a good defense against this jackhole DA.
 
exodious said:
The people who pass these kinds of laws and who overstep their bounds (as I think is clearly the case here in NY) hate gun owners, hate gun shops, and hate freedom. They hate the idea that we might be the slightest bit independent and can defend ourselves, rather than cower in fear and hope and pray that the cops arrive in time. They hate the idea that an armed populace will, in the last resort, resist their socialist/fascist policies by whatever means necessary.
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You might like to think that, but it's really not true. They're just very frightened people who are deluded that somehow the ability of you and I to defend ourselves or shoot fun toys threatens them. They don't "hate freedom," that's silly and untrue. They live in fear. They don't consider gun ownership freedom. It never occurs to them and if you pointed it out they'd think you were a fool to think so. They equate guns with an immediate threat to safety out of fear and ignorance.

They are incapable of grasping that the only way to protect yourself in the end is to protect yourself. And they see gun owners, especially ones like us, as dangerous lunatics who are going to go postal at the slightest provocation. They see no threat from an armed populace resisting tyranny because there ISN'T a tyranny to resist at this time and they can't imagine one happening.

They also believe the tripe fed to them by media and the Brady Bunch that more guns equals more crime, more death, etc. It's easy for them to believe this because it plays into their false beliefs about the nature of human beings.

It is beyond their ability to grasp that people are violent animals by nature, that the strong will always prey on the weak and that the only defense against violence is more violence.
They live in a fantasy land where if they can just get their way, all will be well and the lion will lie down with the lamb.

To quote Jefferson: "Those who neat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."
 

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